Sally K. Norton

Vitality Coach, Speaker & Health Consultant

  • Home
  • About
    • Interviews and Talks
  • Symptoms
  • Relief
    • Nourishment
    • Results
  • Science
    • Oxalate Basics
  • Books
    • Data Companion
  • Support
    • Upcoming Events
    • Support Groups
    • Shop / Downloads
    • Sign-up for News and Updates
    • Speaking and Presentations
  • Recipes
    • Fundamentals
    • Sauces and Condiments
    • Beverages
    • Finger Foods
    • Soups
    • Salads
    • Side Dishes
    • Meats and Seafood
    • Treats
  • Blog
    • Table of Contents
  • Contact
    • Share Your Success Story!
    • Coaching and Consulting
    • Speaking
    • Webmaster
    • Privacy Policy

December 26, 2023 by Sally K Norton

Grandmother’s Love Feels Like Pain

Three family scenes of grandparents with their grandchildren.

[This is part two of a two-part post. If you haven’t read the first one, go there first: Can We Save the Babies?]

The oxalate-educated grandmother (uncle, aunt, or step-dad) wrestles with emotionally charged conflicting realities. The trusted doctrine that vegetables are the unequivocal health pillar collides with her own jarring personal experience of pain, discovery, and a sometimes challenging recovery process.

It’s bad enough for her to be sick because of her “healthy” diet, the added mental struggle is a wound on its own. How could the very foods she served at her table with loving kindness be the hidden culprits behind her health issues?

Grief Turns to Worry

While navigating her own oxalate-induced health issues, the shock and disbelief can trigger a complex grief process. There is a sense of betrayal, and even rage: How could experts’ advice and accepted common knowledge fail her, and thus her family? Despite her best intentions, she unknowingly exposed her loved ones to harm. Her past teachings, she realizes, could lead to health issues for her precious family. It can be hard to avoid feelings of guilt and self-recrimination.

In processing the sad discovery, hopefully without self-blame, she needs time to process and acknowledge her private pain. From there perhaps she can find a strengthened sense of allegiance to her own well-being and truth.

In confronting an entrenched belief system—one she herself nurtured within her family—how does she break the news with her adult children and hope to invite them into a wholly different understanding?

Can she be vulnerable, share her heart, and be heard? Can she move forward to share her experience (and confess her feelings and mistakes) in a way that can spark interest and curiosity, and that opens the opportunity to reeducate her adult children. Does she have the influence to bring them along on this painful process of walking away from popular (mistaken) information?

It can feel like a no-win situation. Today’s lauded baby foods are loaded with high oxalate ingredients. Bite your tongue about this hidden hazard, and you’re guilty of not protecting vulnerable children.

Today’s Baby Foods Can be Outrageously Loaded with Oxalates

If you speak out in hopes that family members will agree to protect children from oxalates, you either “damage” people and strain your relationships, or you feel the rejection—or both. You share your profound discovery, so dear to you, and they treat it like it’s of no consequence.

The work ahead isn’t going to be easy. Your precious news will not be cherished as a precious gem painfully dug from caves. If your news is not hated, belittled, or mocked, it might be sternly denied and ignored. Ouch!

“My son and daughter-in-law have a 2-year-old daughter and a baby. They don’t buy into the notion that oxalates are a problem. They don’t want to hear any other point of view; please help me get through to them now, while the babies are growing up.”

—Marty

“Please Spare Them”

The grandmother’s mission to protect the young ones might keep her up with worry. At this stage, parents don’t have any special authority over their grown children. We can’t tell them what to do. Other adults will have to learn hard lessons themselves. Yet her hopeful heart pleads with God, “please spare them this one.”

“Don’t Tell Us How to Feed Our Kids”

Let’s consider the grandmother’s new information from the perspective of her adult children with children of their own. For many busy parents with professional ambitions, marriage, and childcare responsibilities, there isn’t time and energy to rethink accepted opinions on food and nutrition. It’s “normal,” “fun,” and easy to give kids potatoes, berries, chocolate, and peanut butter. Cutting these foods seems too hard.

 Mother talking to grown daughter and her husband.
Copyright jackf; used with permission

The virtue of vegetables is a deeply ingrained truth, imparted by the most trusted source they’ve known, their mother, and backed up relentlessly in mainstream dietary advice.

When Mother, the architect of their earliest understandings, approaches them with a concern that some vegetables are toxic, it’s more than a ripple in their family routines. It’s an upheaval.

Do they believe their Mother and attempt to swap out the high oxalate foods in their shopping carts, or decide that she has gone bonkers or joined some cult?

And if grandmother has ever been wrong—we all have—that’s the proof she’s lost her marbles and she’s now consuming “fake news.”

Even if her children accept with compassion that Mother’s story is real and revealing, the revelation probably collides with their deeply ingrained worldview, sense of stability, parental authority of their own, and the irresistible tendency to favor information that aligns with their existing beliefs. Personal pride and the desire to fit in with popular trends also favor dismissing new information that contradicts those beliefs. The adult child stopped letting Mother run their lives in high school!

Few young parents are ready be a lone voice in the wilderness. Opinions refuting this new ‘radical’ claim about the dangers of high oxalate vegetables are everywhere. Countless health blogs, diet testimonials, and mainstream nutritional guidelines have always championed the universal goodness of all vegetables. 

Do Facts Matter?

But really, it’s not about the scientific evidence that high dietary oxalates lead to poor health outcomes. In the face of the unsettling possibility that a foundational notion is flawed, the resistance is partly emotional self-defense. What would they have to give up? What will they miss out on without blackberries, dark chocolate, and spinach?

Are they up for reevaluating deeply held beliefs? Admitting that they live and perpetuate distorted information? Changing habits? Become cultural misfits? Add a new worry over their children? No Thanks, Mom!!

And as an adult, we’re far more likely to listen to experts and even some guy at the gym than we are to our parents. Perhaps you’d be wise to infect the guy they listen to at the gym with the oxalate-awareness bug. Let him convince your kid to give this a try. His facts are better than your facts (wink).

Eventually, our shared culture and popular collective “wisdom” will shift. In the meantime, accepting new information on oxalates may require uncommon bravery. It’s much easier to imagine that mom is a special case. Her ideas that the children are also at risk can’t be true.

Preserve Your Relationship

Like politics and religion, nutrition is a sensitive topic. A different point of view can spark power struggles in the family. Our listening within a family is mixed up with all the emotional baggage that comes with growing up (disappointments, and some degree of trauma and dysfunction, even in the healthiest of families) and then stepping free as an independent, self-guided adult.

The adult child has an opportunity to process the discomfort and be open to learning. In the long run, it’s a golden opportunity to grow, learn, and foster deeper connections within the family. Openness to new dietary principles and awareness may arise more easily from the fertile ground of relating well and supporting each other.

But all that takes time. It won’t happen on Thursday afternoon, or from reading one article or a web page. It depends on grandmother and adult child forming a mutually respectful learning partnership through which they can navigate what amounts to a societal betrayal by ‘expert sources’, while unlearning and supporting each other in building new wisdom.

How to Create Understanding

It’s essential for grandparents to approach their family members with empathy, patience, good humor, respect, and technique. Learn to spark interest. Think hard about their values: What might inspire curiosity? For the answer, listen to your inner guidance. Without speeches, speak to those values with simple questions or revelations that can linger in their minds and hearts. Each moment is unique, and openings show up. Stay willing to make connections listen, learn, unlearn, and relearn to enhance the relationship, not tear it down.

Grandmothers can start by sharing their experience, their sense of betrayal by experts, and their guilt for promoting a plant-trusting narrative they now know to be potentially dangerous. We need to console each other over the unbearable shock.

Take the time to nurture a loving understanding of the complex emotions each is experiencing. Let the love be felt. We all want the best for the kids. Sadly, we’re not aware of the profound importance of non-toxic nutrition. The education can be a heavy lift and minds can open slowly.

At stake is more than a concern about defining a healthful diet for the young ones. It’s also an opportunity to strengthen intergenerational bonds, honor the value of relationships, and model invaluable lessons for young ones about navigating sensitive topics, being willing to change our thinking in the face of new evidence, and learning to sustain better life choices.

Patience, open communication, and loving respect for the deep emotions involved (our own as well as our family members’) are the foundation from which new understanding and new practices will emerge. By all means speak your new truth about oxalates: but the goal is not just to “make them believe.” We need to form loving partnerships to support each other in building the best lives possible for ourselves, our children, our grandchildren and extend that into the world.

Let’s Help Each Other

While the food fights rage on, our growing community is learning together. Please share your personal stories of mistakes or success in bringing inter-generational family members onboard.

Many families are reporting both benefits (and dumping) in children who seemed healthy. Here is one example from an Amazon Review:

Many seemingly unrelated ailments can all be from oxalate. I have found great relief in my low oxalate diet endeavor. My husband and children have also experienced oxalate dumping after lowering oxalate. It is not rare! Our modern diet, eating superfoods year round, is affecting kids and adults alike. In summary, do yourself a favor and buy a copy of Toxic Superfoods today. I will be buying copies for my family and friends.”

-K.K., Amazon Reviewer

If you have your own thoughts on how to handle this situation, please leave them in the comments on this post.

December 24, 2023 by Sally K Norton

Can We Save the Babies?

Many of my clients are grandmothers (or aunts or sisters) who had to learn about dietary oxalates the hard way. It took a labored and often expensive and protracted search for relief from their own health issues before they discovered that dietary oxalates could play a central role in their feeling broken.

The perplexing answer to their suffering was to “quit health foods.” Sure enough, doing so is bringing them relief from joint and muscle pain, exhaustion, bladder issues, depression, and anxiety. Grandma is living the single most profound and rewarding life change ever! This is a big deal.

But for years, they taught their children the virtues of consuming foods like spinach. They were doing their best, confidently believing “all vegetables are healthy.” Their past “knowledge” did not serve them well, however. Foods they’ve long promoted proved to be the problem. Ouch! The unmanageable pain that brought them to a sea-change in their understanding may be lifting, but other baggage sets up in its wake.

While regaining their health through oxalate-aware eating, grandmothers suffer a multi-faceted psychic tumult as they wrestle with the disturbing understanding: Some of their long-cherished foods can be quite harmful to anyone, including their loved ones.

My Daughter Feeds Her Child High Oxalate Foods!

Low-oxalate grandmothers are now troubled with a heart-breaking challenge: How to save the babies from oxalate toxicity in a world unwilling to consider the possibility?

They have science and experience on their side. In my book, Toxic Superfoods, I cite various studies by experts insisting that spinach and other high oxalate foods are detrimental to a child’s development. But ignored evidence is powerless.

To protect their grandchild (or any young person, including grandnieces or nephews etc.), they must convince other adults that a high intake of oxalates can be harmful, particularly to growing children and their developing brains. Grandma’s legacy needs work!

But, humans don’t welcome change. Grandmothers busting though the front door announcing their joyous, precious news about oxalates don’t get high-fives and accolades for sharing a profound insight. Adult family members are unlikely to gleefully agree to menu changes and fall in line behind her, easily tossing aside conventional beliefs and shared traditions.

Copyright jackf; used with permission.

Is there any hope that the ship of the family will turn around and sail off in this new direction in time to help the very young? Attempting to change minds and hearts can be an emotionally dangerous high seas journey. Storms are ahead, dear grandma.

How do we navigate this course correction with all its potential tumult and conflict? Can grandma withstand what’s to come? Can we save the babies from oxalate damage and preserve the family relationships that are also critically important for children?

Read my next post (“Grandmother’s Love Feels Like Pain”) and explore how to understand and handle this sticky situation.

September 4, 2023 by Sally K Norton

Painful Gout, Joint Pain, and Oxalates

Do you have painful gout, arthritis, bursitis, or stiff and swollen joints?

Hands and feet showing gout inflammation

Pain is too Popular

Together, painful arthritis, gout, lupus, or fibromyalgia afflict over 53 million adults in the United States. As of 2014, twenty-seven percent of U.S. adults have chronic joint symptoms.[1] An earlier 2006 study revealed that even young people—over 8% of patients under the age of 20—complain of pain, typically in the feet, knees, or back.[2] Joint pain—arthritis and rheumatism—is the most common cause of disability in the U.S., affecting 9.1 million adults in 2010[3].

Chronic pain of one kind or another has become an expensive public health problem in the U.S., costing $635 billion in medical treatments and lost productivity in 2011 alone.[4]  In 2016, Americans spent over $4 billion on pain-killing drugs that did nothing to address the cause of the pain[5]. And monetary cost estimates alone cannot begin to capture the losses associated with pain.

What if we could cheaply get out of pain? What if gout, arthritis, rheumatism, and back pain are a product of our diets—something very much under our individual control. Let’s take a closer look at gout.

What is Gout?

Gout is a form of inflammatory arthritis that can affect anyone. Sufferers experience sudden, severe attacks of pain, swelling, redness, and extreme tenderness in one or more joints, often the big toe, ankle, or fingers. The pain can have a burning quality as if the joints are on fire. Even after the acute gout pain subsides, joint discomfort may linger for days or weeks. With time, repeated attacks tend to last longer and affect more joints.

Gout and Diet

If you have gout, your doctor may be blaming your diet, and in particular the protein and salt you eat. The advice you’re likely to get? “Eat less meat and more low-fat vegetables.” Chances are such advice is tragically wrong.

Oxalate gout, a crystal-induced arthritis, as well as bursitis and tendinitis, can be caused by an oxalate-overloaded diet. Meats, fats, and salt don’t have oxalate, but dark chocolate, spinach, chard, almonds, buckwheat, peanuts, potatoes, and sweet potatoes do. Routine use of high oxalate foods can be the culprit in gout. When I had gout in college, I was a low-salt vegetarian. Thirty-some years later, I discovered that my gout was oxalate gout, caused by my vegetable-heavy diet, overloaded with oxalate.

Oxalate gout can appear, as it did for me, as a symptom of oxalate overload from my high-oxalate diet. But gout episodes can also occur during oxalate clearing as a transient symptom against the backdrop of improved health overall.

Crystals, Inflammation and Gout

Oxalate crystals forming and collecting in joints are known to trigger gouty inflammation and pain. The inflammation can be destructive to joint tissues. The accumulation of calcium crystals in cartilage (a.k.a. “calcification”) affects the elastic qualities of joints as well as their strength and stability. A lack of joint stability can cause pain. When I cut back on oxalate foods at age 49, my arthritis and long-standing foot problems (arising from weak connective tissues) finally disappeared.

Showing the opening paragraph of Dr. Simpkin's 1988 editorial about naming schemes for the sub-types of gout. Here he states that an article written by Rosenthal et. al. uses nine different terms to indicate oxalate gout.
Opening paragraph from Peter Simpkin’s 1988 Editorial from JAMA about types of gout.

Being a toxic irritant, crystals within joints lead to acute or chronic inflammation including gouty arthritis. Oxalate is one of several crystal types associated with arthritis. In 1988, Rheumatologist and editor of the Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA) Dr. Peter Simkin, pointed out that the medical field uses too many difficult terms including “articular oxalosis” and “calcium oxalate micro-crystalline-associated arthritis” when referring to oxalate gout. The lack of simple, clear, and consistent terms for the various types of gout, especially oxalate gout, interferes with the clinical recognition of oxalate gout.

Oxalate is Hard to See

Diagnosis distinguishing one type of gout from another is problematic and depends on elusive analysis of joint fluid. Several authors, including rheumatologist and medical textbook author Antonio Reginato, call out the difficulty of identifying calcium oxalate crystals in synovial fluid of joints because they can easily be confused with other crystals.[6] Reginato’s work helped to establish the connection between crystals in joint spaces and arthritis and other bone and joint symptoms.

Invisible oxalate nanocrystals and oxalate ions are reactive and mobile, and thus are more toxic than the “prominent” crystals that are typically discovered by pathologists.[7] Slow to notice even the visible crystals, researchers, doctors, and pathologists are even slower to imagine the possibility of toxic trace deposits of nanocrystals and other chemical forms of oxalate in tissues. Although we can’t see them, nanocrystals do the most damage because of their ability to enter cells. And collectively, they have a larger surface area that interacts with living tissues.[8] Consequently, they are simultaneously stealthy, undetectable, and harmful.

Oxalates can also collect in tissues in other difficult to detect forms. In 1967, researchers Zarembski & Hodgkinson noted the presence of a non-crystalline complex of calcium and lipid in the liver and intestine: the oxalate lipids. [9] Similarly Reginato reported findings of lipid crystals and inflammation in joint fluids from patients with gout, rheumatoid arthritis, and traumatic bursitis.[10] He explains that analysis of joint fluids is rarely performed in cases of oxalosis, although joint pain is a known problem for these patients.

Another experiment led by a Belgian hematologist exposed human serum and dishes of living human cells that line blood and lymphatic vessels to oxalate crystals. They confirmed that oxalate crystals collect in blood vessel walls and trigger the immune cell reactions associated with the pain of gout and vasculitis[11].

Accepted clinical standards seem to miss the connection between oxalate and joint pain. Gout is strongly associated with kidney stones and chronic kidney disease. Despite this association, gout patients are typically excluded from studies on oxalate kidney stones. That is unfortunate given that high levels of oxalate (promoting stones anywhere in the body) seem to encourage uric acid gout and oxalate gout.

the formation and accumulation of crystals in tissues is a hallmark of many metabolic and inflammatory conditions, not just kidney and bladder problems.

Other Reasons High Oxalates Create Pain

Based on existing science, let me explain why minimizing oxalate exposure can get at the root cause of inflammatory problems and solve chronic pain problems. Science now recognizes that crystals forming in tissues are part of the development of gout and atherosclerosis[12]. Many studies have demonstrated that calcium oxalate crystals cause renal inflammation and damage renal immune cells[13]. In fact, the formation and accumulation of crystals in tissues is a hallmark of many metabolic and inflammatory conditions, not just kidney and bladder problems.

In addition to oxalate collecting in joint spaces, tendons, cartilage, and bones, oxalate causes nerve damage that creates pain, and increases uric acid, which is also associated with joint pain and gout. Most doctors blame uric acid for gout symptoms, which is elevated in people with oxalate kidney stones.

Inflammation

When oxalic acid grabs calcium and changes into crystals, calcium oxalate nanoparticles activate human monocyte cells and enhance local tissue inflammation[14]. That process and the related cell damage stirs up defensive innate immune system actions. These actions include “foreign body” alerts and “inflammasome” reactions, which call in platelets, causing tissue damage and promoting the development of auto-immune symptoms and fibrosis.

The immune engagement caused by exposure to high levels of either oxalate ions or oxalate crystals can lead to inflammatory conditions such as intermittent and chronic pain[15]. Oxalic acid ions and crystals create free radicals in cells that stimulate immune cells to secrete an immune signaling protein called MCP-1 (Monocyte chemoattractant protein-1). MCP-1 is implicated in the development of many diseases, including cancers, neuroinflammatory diseases, rheumatoid arthritis, and cardiovascular disease.

Aside from mechanical damage to the tissues, oxalate can also have a dramatic effect on cell physiology, including inhibiting the immune response to infection and shifting immune system toward uncontrolled inflammation.

Long before oxalates become crystals in tissues, oxalic acid damages immune cells (macrophages) and puts them in a pro-inflammatory state (with reduced cellular energy, increased oxidative stress, and damaged mitochondria)[16]. Dr. T. Mitchell’s team at the University of Alabama found damage to circulating immune cells in their human volunteers just 40 minutes after giving them a spinach smoothie with 720mg of oxalate[17].

Famous Gout Sufferers

Queen Anne (b. 1665, d. 1714)

Image of Queen Anne from Wikimedia Commons.
Queen Anne from the Workshop of John Closterman, Public domain, via Wikimedia Commons.

The famously gouty monarch of Great Britain and Ireland, Queen Anne, experienced bouts of pain in her limbs, stomach, and head. Today’s doctors may have said she had systemic lupus and pelvic inflammatory disease.

Anne Stuart suffered from other illnesses too—diseases associated with modern foods like tea, chocolate, and way too much refined carbohydrate: diabetes, nutrient deficiency, and probably oxalate overload.

Not only was she morbidly obese and diabetic at age 30, but pain also tormented her. By age 33, Queen Anne’s gout was a migratory arthritis affecting many of her joints, especially her feet, knees, and hands. The debilitating joint pain prevented walking: in 1702 she was carried to her coronation in a sedan chair. She was 35. She also had other forms of chronic inflammation: headaches, stomach pain, skin problems (red and spotted face eruptions that coincided with her bouts of joint pain).

Her issues suggest that her high oxalate diet was likely a factor behind her suffering.

In childhood, sickly Anne was sent to France for treatment of a serious eye condition with excessive discharge known as “defluxion.”[18] (Some of my clients report copious fluid draining from their eyes with fine grit in it.) While she lived with her French relations as a child, she was introduced to using chocolate, sweets, and tea to help her cope. Anne loved all things sweet.

She adopted a habit of a nightly cup of sweetened hot chocolate. Anne also enjoyed tea every day. Even more so than chocolate, tea was a great exotic novelty of her age, initially popular with the Dutch and French (she had Dutch family and married a Dutchman).

Irish Anglian cleric and author of Gulliver’s Travels, Jonathan Swift (1667 – 1745) was a contemporary of Queen Anne. Swift, who frequented taverns serving hot chocolate, or “chocolate houses,” wisely blamed gout on the over-consumption of chocolate. (According to Wikipedia, Swift hoped for a church appointment in England, but the Queen disliked Swift, finding his first book, A Tale of a Tub (1704), blasphemous.)

The severity of Queen Anne’s symptoms was both cyclical and progressively worsening until her death in 1714 at age 49. Some scholars speculate that the ultimate cause of death was kidney failure.

Ben Franklin

Quotes about Ben Franklin's gout from Walter Isaacson's biography of Franklin.
Ben Franklin and Gout, photos from: A Benjamin Franklin Reader, Edited by Walter Isaacson. Simon & Schuster, 2003.

Decades later, in 1780, American founding father Ben Franklin was bedridden with gout. Pen in hand, he asked, “What have I done merit to these cruel sufferings?” ‘Madam Gout’ had an answer. She told him his gout was due, in addition to his sedentary amusements, to his “inordinate breakfast, four dishes of tea with cream, and one or two buttered toasts . . .” People had been drinking tea from china bowls (without handles) since Queen Anne’s day. When she ruled England, tea had been around for just a few decades; by Franklin’s time, tea was standard daily fare in Great Britain and its territories.

Science Explains the Connection Between Tea, Chocolate and Pain

In the early 1940’s, researchers produced dramatically stunted growth in rats by adding 16% cocoa to their normal diet. They concluded that “indiscriminate and excessive use of chocolate flavored foods, especially in a diet already low in calcium, is not to be recommended”[19]. Today it’s easy to consume a diet consisting of 16% high oxalate foods like chocolate (and lots of sugar too). Yet, chocolate is now heralded as a health food. Previous generations knew better: two of our long-favored stimulants, chocolate and tea were not to be trusted.

Healing story of Joint Pain Relief with Diet

I have heard and have witnessed many remarkable cases of relief from joint pain after the removal of high oxalate foods from our diets.

My husband who developed debilitating carpal tune syndrome in the wake of the high-oxalate diet he adopted after we met reversed it with a low-oxalate diet.

My friend Ron mentioned in Chapter 13 of Toxic Superfoods also reversed pain in his thumb joints.

Many others have shared their stories online or written me directly, as did this woman from Australia. She is over-joyed to have relief from 8-years of gout. Here is her story:

Dear Sally,

I came across your work through Dr. Bill Schindler who was being interviewed on Episode 108 of the WildFed Podcast. My ears perked up as he was describing his health issues with gout and he explained how he had discovered your work with oxalates. My eyes widened and jaw dropped! I have been suffering from gout for the last 8 years. My mind was completely blown! I felt like a 1000-piece puzzle just fell completely into place at once.

Chard (silverbeet greens), tahini, dark chocolate, almonds, and sweet potatoes were all a part of my “healthy” diet. I expected they would get my gout pain to subside.

I have now been on a low-oxalate diet for three months and my gout has entirely disappeared. My receding, brittle fingernails are looking the best that they ever have and the eczema around my mouth (which I have always had and thought was a dairy related issue) is completely gone.

Since hearing that interview, I have immersed myself in your work. I’ve read and listened to everything that I can find!

From the bottom of my heart, thank you so much for the work that you are doing. The gratitude that I feel is beyond words. Thank you for your passion, your love, your genuine care for people, and your integrity. You are changing lives!

Reversing Oxalate Crystal Deposits in Joints: It’s not over until it’s over

Though low-oxalate eating can lead to remarkable improvement from gout and other joint and connective tissue conditions, gout can also be a symptom of oxalate clearing. When recovering from oxalate overload and enjoying overall improvements in health, the immune system’s efforts to remove oxalate from joint tissues can provoke occasional gout attacks in some people as they recover. The process can take years, but these painful episodes become less frequent and eventually end, seemingly for good.


Footnotes

[1] CDC, “Age-Adjusted Percentages of Selected Diseases and Conditions Among Adults Ages 18 and over, by Selected Characteristics: United States, 2014 Summary Health Statistics: National Health Survey, 2014 Table A-4a” (U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, National Center for Health Statistics, 2014), http://ftp.cdc.gov/pub/Health_Statistics/NCHS/NHIS/SHS/2014_SHS_Table_A-4.pdf.

[2] Albert Tan et al., “Epidemiology of Pediatric Presentations with Musculoskeletal Problems in Primary Care,” BMC Musculoskeletal Disorders 19, no. 1 (06 2018): 40, https://doi.org/10.1186/s12891-018-1952-7.

[3] Theis, K. A., Steinweg, A., Helmick, C. G., Courtney-Long, E., Bolen, J. A., & Lee, R. (2019). Which one? What kind? How many? Types, causes, and prevalence of disability among U.S. adults. Disability and Health Journal, 12(3), 411–421. https://doi.org/10.1016/j.dhjo.2019.03.001

[4] Institute of Medicine (US) Committee on Advancing Pain Research.

[5] “OTC Sales by Category,” accessed December 12, 2017, https://www.chpa.org/OTCsCategory.aspx.

[6] A. J. Reginato and B. Kurnik, “Calcium Oxalate and Other Crystals Associated with Kidney Diseases and Arthritis,” Seminars in Arthritis and Rheumatism 18, no. 3 (February 1989): 198–224.

[7] Xin-Yuan Sun et al., “Mechanism of Cytotoxicity of Micron/Nano Calcium Oxalate Monohydrate and Dihydrate Crystals on Renal Epithelial Cells,” RSC Advances 5, no. 56 (May 18, 2015): 45393–406, https://doi.org/10.1039/C5RA02313K.

[8] Xin-Yuan Sun et al., “Size-Dependent Toxicity and Interactions of Calcium Oxalate Dihydrate Crystals on Vero Renal Epithelial Cells,” Journal of Materials Chemistry B 3, no. 9 (February 18, 2015): 1864–78, https://doi.org/10.1039/C4TB01626B.

[9] P. M. Zarembski and A. Hodgkinson, “Plasma Oxalic Acid and Calcium Levels in Oxalate Poisoning,” Journal of Clinical Pathology 20, no. 3 (May 1967): 283–85.

[10] Reginato, A.J., and Kurnik, B. (1989). Calcium oxalate and other crystals associated with kidney diseases and arthritis. Semin. Arthritis Rheum. 18, 198–224.

[11] M. A. Boogaerts et al., “Mechanisms of Vascular Damage in Gout and Oxalosis: Crystal Induced, Granulocyte Mediated, Endothelial Injury,” Thrombosis and Haemostasis 50, no. 2 (August 30, 1983): 576–80.

[12] Franklin, B.S., Mangan, M.S., and Latz, E. (2016). Crystal Formation in Inflammation. Annual Review of Immunology 34, 173–202. 10.1146/annurev-immunol-041015-055539.

[13] Mulay, S.R., Kulkarni, O.P., Rupanagudi, K.V., Migliorini, A., Darisipudi, M.N., Vilaysane, A., Muruve, D., Shi, Y., Munro, F., Liapis, H., et al. (2013). Calcium oxalate crystals induce renal inflammation by NLRP3-mediated IL-1β secretion. J Clin Invest 123, 236–246. 10.1172/JCI63679.

[14] Mulay, S.R., Herrmann, M., Bilyy, R., Gabibov, A., and Anders, H.-J. (2019). Editorial: Nano- and Microparticle-Induced Cell Death, Inflammation and Immune Responses. Front Immunol 10, 844. 10.3389/fimmu.2019.00844

[15] Umekawa, T., Chegini, N., and Khan, S.R. (2002). Oxalate ions and calcium oxalate crystals stimulate MCP-1 expression by renal epithelial cells. Kidney Int 61, 105–112. 10.1046/j.1523-1755.2002.00106.x.

[16] Kumar, et al 2021 Oxalate Alters Cellular Bioenergetics, Redox Homeostasis, Antibacterial Response, and Immune Response in Macrophages.

[17] Kumar, et al 2021. Dietary Oxalate Loading Impacts Monocyte Metabolism and Inflammatory Signaling in Humans.

[18] https://www.willowandthatch.com/history-queen-anne-britain-favourite/; https://www.historyofroyalwomen.com/anne-queen-of-great-britain/queen-anne-an-unhealthy-life-part-three/

[19] W. S. Mueller and M. R. Cooney, “The Effect of Cocoa upon the Utilization of the Calcium and Phosphorus of Milk.,” Journal of Dairy Science 26 (1943): 951–58, https://doi.org/0.3168/jds.S0022-0302(43)92791-2.

See Also:

Hoffman, G.S., Schumacher, H.R., Paul, H., Cherian, V., Reed, R., Ramsay, A.G., and Franck, W.A. (1982). Calcium oxalate microcrystalline-associated arthritis in end-stage renal disease. Ann. Intern. Med. 97, 36–42.

August 21, 2023 by Sally K Norton

Invisible Oxalate Accumulation is Hard to Detect

No news is not necessarily good news. Because no one has told us about it, hardly anyone knows about a common health problem: the excessive oxalate we eat sets up as crystal pollution in tissues and organs. Invisible oxalate accumulation is an insidious source of damage.

As researcher Susan Marengo wrote in 2008, “unexcreted oxalate is stored in structural tissues and soft organs.” Dr. Marengo was explaining that even healthy kidneys do not manage to completely clear oxalate loads coming into the bloodstream after oxalate-loaded meals and, as a result, dietary oxalate lands in non-kidney tissues all over the body. (Reference: Marengo, S. R., Zhang, A., & Traverso, E. J. (2008). Partitioning of 14C-oxalate excretion in rats during a persistent oxalate challenge. Urological Research, 36(6), 319–326. https://doi.org/10.1007/s00240-008-0155-3)

Other researchers have run into oxalate crystals in the eyes and thyroid gland and point out that such invisible oxalate accumulation is much more common than medical science believes.

Oxalate is not supposed to be hanging around in our flesh, skin, eyes, tendons, bones, and joint spaces, or in our kidneys. Yet it is. And, it can become a serious problem, especially for the heath of our immune systems. Our growing oxalate-aware community is seeing strong evidence of crystal accumulations in our bodies too.

Skin Release as part of Oxalate Clearing

Take for example Al, at age 70, read Toxic Superfoods at his daughter’s suggestion. Like others, he too is seeing crystals coming out of his body after he quit the high oxalate foods. Here is how he put it:

I have several places on my skin around my body that are emitting oxalates. It is apparent in my eyes and the mole-like growths on my skin. Even a 1 by 2-inches patch of skin came off which had a texture of a mass of fine crystals mixed with a bit of skin. And, as soon as I stopped the oxalates, I was getting diarrhea. The worst thing is that my urinary tract has been hurting from my kidneys all the way out.

That proved beyond a doubt that my body is completely overloaded with oxalates. They have been itching to get out!

Years of Almonds Left Rebecca with a Lot of Oxalate to Clear

Rebecca started cutting back on her almonds and other high oxalate foods in the Spring of 2021 after listening to a podcast interview I had with KetogenicGirl. It was the first time she had heard anything about oxalates.  She thought, “That is me!! What if that is my problem?”

Wman's neck and finger showing rash and oxalate crystals.
Rebecca’s Neck Rash and an Emerged Crystal Resting her Finger

By summer, spots appeared on her neck that took at least three weeks to go away. And later, she was having intense neck pain, and about a week into it, a lump in her neck became very swollen and started “opening up.” When she massaged the areas, crystals emerged from her pores. The swelling and weeping skin on her neck expelled a variety of grit. The process moved all the way down both sides of her neck with a staged progression: first, sandy grit, then hard crystals that sometimes took a week or more to dislodge. Then there were crystals wrapped in sheets or calcium sheets—layer after layer after layer.

As Rebecca wrote: “They looked like they were folded up in the tissue like and accordion. Many nights I had to sleep with a cloth around my neck with castor oil because it would otherwise stick to my pillow case . It was quite awful. Between the months of October through mid-December the process moved to my face which I was praying would not happen. Since the massive release of crystals from my neck, my neck pain is so much better. My shoulders are getting better. I can see the end slowly coming for my chin and upper lip to get better. I am slowly healing . . .”

Oxalate Crystals are Hard for Pathologists to See

Copyright: teamarbeit / 123RF Stock Photo

In medical science, the phenomenon of bodies expelling crystals after taking oxalate out of their diets is entirely unknown. When my clients tell their doctors about it, a dismissive comment and no curiosity is the usual reply.

Even pathologists don’t notice oxalate crystals when examining tissue samples under the microscope. Without polarized light and specific chemical testing, the identification of oxalate is challenging to say the least. Randomly oriented and fragmented crystals are hard to see and difficult to interpret. They look like minuscule debris or bits of the mounting medium. This poor visibility in ordinary microscopy accounts for the failure to notice and identify oxalate when unsuspected. This problem is well described by pathologist Gregory A. Fishbein and colleagues, in their 2008 paper “Atherosclerotic Oxalosis in Coronary Arteries,” in the Journal of Cardiovascular Pathology : The Official Journal of the Society for Cardiovascular Pathology. https://doi.org/10.1016/j.carpath.2007.07.002.

October 10, 2022 by Sally K Norton

Fact or Fiction: Dates Are A Low Oxalate Food?

Dates in My Low-Ox Diet Plan: What Does the Data Say? 

Following a low-oxalate diet is much easier when you have the right oxalate data. Unfortunately, there’s a lot of misinformation, limited science, and conflicting results on the internet, which leads to confusion when deciding which low oxalate foods to put on your plate. 

The debate around the oxalate content of dates perfectly illustrates this conundrum. Rumors suggest they’re high in oxalate, while other sources claim the opposite.

As you’re wading through this conflicting information, what should you believe? Let’s look at the data together to find out how much oxalate dates contain, and whether they have a place in a low-oxalate diet. 

Are dates a high or low oxalate food? Photo by VD Photography on Unsplash

Before We Begin: Learning to Read Oxalate Data

Let me provide some orientation on interpreting oxalate data.

The universal way to report the oxalate content of foods is oxalate per 100 grams. However, serving sizes vary from one food to the next.

Most people want to know how much oxalate is in one date. However, a single piece of fruit naturally comes in different sizes, which means oxalate content could vary from one date to another.

Depending on the variety, a date might weigh 7 mg or 24 grams. So, keep in mind that there is not one right number for oxalate in dates—especially by the piece. Understanding oxalate in natural foods takes some thought about several variables involved, especially the weight (amount) of the item you eat.

Now, with that reminder, here I’ll refer to the oxalate content in typical (modest) servings. Let’s get back to the oxalate content of dates.

Dates in My Low-Oxalate Diet Plan: What Does the Data Say? 

The peer-reviewed medical literature doesn’t include dates in the oxalate data testing reports. However, the VP Foundation sponsored tests of dates performed in Laramie, WY at the University of Wyoming by Dr. Michael Liebman and his team. They tested Medjool dates three times, California-grown Deglet Noor dates once, and another unspecified variety grown in Pakistan.2

According to their reported results, 24 grams of pitted Medjool dates (around one date) contains approximately 1–2 mgs of total oxalate.  24 grams of Deglet Noor dates (about three and a half dates) contain around 2 mg.1 No published testing found over 2.5 mg of oxalate per 24-gram serving.

If Dr. Liebman’s testing is right, dates are low oxalate foods. Yet mainstream sources like WebMD and Harvard incorrectly claim dates are high in oxalate, without offering any citations showing where they got this idea. They also failed to indicate the varieties, rendering the data useless.

These “reputable” and familiar institutions are seemingly reporting oxalate data, but not really. Verifiable testing shows them to be flat out wrong. This misinformation, coupled with a lack of transparency, is adding to the confusion around oxalates. This undermines the efforts of their readers to make educated decisions and limit oxalate-rich foods. 

Comparing Deglet Noor and Medjool dates

Dates vs. Figs: Oxalate Content of Food

Why would Harvard and WebMD post faulty information about dates? Perhaps the mistake comes from someone confusing dates with their Mediterranean counterpart, figs. Dates and figs are often and easily mixed up, both being small, soft, dark, and intensely sweet.

Despite these superficial similarities, dates and figs are very different fruits, especially in the oxalate department.

I know of only five tests of figs, four of them being fresh (not dried) and of the “unspecified” variety and one of them of the dried Mission fig. Some of the unspecified fresh figs have also tested low in oxalate, even lower per 100g than dates!

However, other tests find figs—especially the dried California mission figs we usually encounter in the stores—have about 12 times the oxalate content of dates with up to 95 milligrams of oxalate per 100 grams.

A typical serving of dried figs is 42 grams (four figs), which has ~34 mg oxalate. That’s 11 times higher than the approximately three mg oxalate in two Medjool dates (weighing 47 grams). Eating four to six figs could deliver a substantial oxalate level and have serious health consequences.

If you’re a fan of Fig Newtons, a test also conducted at University of Wyoming found ~8 mg oxalate per cookie—which definitely won’t kill you. But the standard serving size is three cookies (25 mg oxalate). Most people I know eat at least four at a time (32 mg of oxalate).

A photo of three fig varieties from a recent trip to the grocery store.

Moreover, researchers haven’t taken into account that there are more than 700 named varieties of fig trees. With so much breadth for one fruit, even the most exacting of researchers can’t test the oxalate content of each type of fig that exists.

Finding Oxalate Data You Can Trust

The dates versus figs discussion touches on several data-related problems in the oxalate space. And to make things even more contentious and confusing, the oxalate data listings in textbooks (for nurses and other health professions) and nutrient content tables used by dieticians are short and filled with errors.

As a community, we must look at the information out there through a critical lens, and learn to recognize bad data. New interest in this topic is only likely to increase the confusion and arguments in the short run. All of us becoming more data savvy will pave the way forward for having more clarity about healthful food choices. You definitely don’t need to eliminate oxalate foods from your low-oxalate diet plan that you love, like dates.

While it is impossible to correct every problem that exists with the science around oxalates, you can make good food choices with the information that is available. You just need a good filter to cull out the junk. I’ve been working to curate the most accurate oxalate data available, and help you make the most informed food decisions possible. As you’re trekking along your low-oxalate journey, take my (expanding) resources as a trust map and companion.

Sign up for my email list to get accurate, reliable information about the oxalate content of more foods and tips for sticking to a low-ox diet plan.  

Data Sources

DATES (are Low Oxalate Foods)

“The Low Oxalate Diet Addendum 2011 Fall- Numerical Values Table.” The VP Foundation Newsletter, no. 36 (November 2011): 17–20.

“The Low Oxalate Diet Addendum 2012 Summer- Numerical Values Table.” The VP Foundation Newsletter, no. 37 (June 2012): 6–9, 19–25.

FIGS

The Low Oxalate Diet Addendum 2008 Fall- Numerical Values Table. The VP Foundation Newsletter 7–11.

The Low Oxalate Diet Addendum 2011 Fall- Numerical Values Table. The VP Foundation Newsletter 17–20.

The Low Oxalate Diet Addendum 2011 Spring- Numerical Values Table. The VP Foundation Newsletter 14–17.

Hönow, R., and Hesse, A. (2002). Comparison of extraction methods for the determination of soluble and total oxalate in foods by HPLC-enzyme-reactor. Food Chemistry 78, 511–521. https://doi.org/10.1016/S0308-8146(02)00212-1.

FIG NEWTONS

The Low Oxalate Diet Addendum 2022 Winter- Numerical Values Table. The VP Foundation Newsletter 12. 

September 4, 2022 by Sally K Norton

Oxalates in Foods: How To Make Sense of the Data

Tape measure wrapped around avocado fruit

Starting a low oxalate diet? Going low oxalate can be a huge step into a brand-new world. It’s not only unfamiliar but somewhat disorienting. What to eat? How much to eat? What should your new staples be? How will you learn and remember which foods are high in oxalate? You need practical guidance—and a bit of data on how much oxalate is in your foods.

Oxalates in Foods:
Hard to Measure and a Bit Confusing.
Photo by Jennifer Burk on Unsplash

When you’re researching the oxalate content of foods, where do you turn first? Probably Google. But most internet sites offer scant information laced with factual errors. As you comb through the search results for that list of oxalate-rich foods, you could easily find different websites that don’t agree with one another. A given food may be listed as high on one site and low on another. The lists are also often short, with just a few foods listed. The “top ten” is far from the whole story!

Obviously, the easy-to-find data isn’t especially good. And this mess can be a big, discouraging curve-ball. Don’t let all this conflicting information and lack of consensus among various data resources get you down! It is still possible to succeed in adopting a healthier, oxalate-aware way of eating.

Still, making sense of the data can overwhelming and confusing. It was for me, despite my nutrition education and professional experience. To get you oriented and make you more fool-proof, let me walk you through the mine-field of oxalate content confusion.

Online Lists Will Keep You Feeling Confused About Oxalates in Foods

How can you tell which information is credible? You won’t know just by looking at the list. Fame and fortune (institutional reputation such as USDA, Harvard, or WebMD, for example) do not assure you that a list is correct.

Misinformation about oxalates is widespread, especially among mainstream sources! For example, there’s one false claim that dates are high in oxalate posted on WebMD and thus elsewhere. (Please see my short post on the error with dates here, coming next week). There is also confusion about oxalate content in coffee because some researchers claim coffee is a high oxalate food. Neither is true. Multiple credible sources prove that in both cases, the sites listing dates and coffee as high oxalate are wrong. But mistaken notions persist. And mistaken data goes uncorrected.

Most list makers fail to mention where they got their information, let alone who did the testing and by which methods. Nor do the list makers bother to explain their rationale for designating foods as “high” or “low” in oxalate. And they rarely (if ever) revisit old information and update it.

Since the online lists aren’t good enough, surely medical journals, health agencies, and academia must have trustworthy numbers, right? But if you put on your thinking cap and take a deep dive into the literature, you might have a hard time finding much. In the end, what you manage to dig up from professional papers is also conflicted and confusing. It’s frustrating and frankly shocking how difficult it is to find credible, consistent resources on oxalates in our foods.

The full value of low-oxalate eating is not yet well-known, and sufficient resources have not been assigned to the necessary work.

Oxalate Data Online is a Mess!
Photo by Magnet.me on Unsplash

Despite the jumble of imperfect science, incomplete data, and untrustworthy conclusions about what amount is safe to consume, we can still find our way to low oxalate eating and heal from oxalate toxicity.

How to Get Better Information

Despite the data muddle, you can transition to this eating strategy successfully. Start with my Beginners’ Guide. This vetted, trustworthy list will get you 90% of the way there.

Read on if you want to understand more about the state of oxalate data and why it can be challenging. Remember that enduring some confusion is part of learning.

In the remainder of this post, I’ll attempt to explain the reasons for the discrepancies in oxalate data.

Better Sources Exist for Oxalates in Foods

I want to reassure you that there is enough credible information to support low-oxalate eating. Today we have more knowledge than ever before on oxalate in foods and how they impact health. The work of The VP Foundation and Susan Owens’ Trying Low Oxalates Facebook group has helped to launch our emerging era of growing awareness of oxalate overload. As more of us discover the healing benefits, our growing oxalate-aware community can continue to improve the data, making it more accessible, understandable, and usable over time. Most importantly, we all need to advocate for more food testing.

For a better understanding of the oxalate content of foods and using oxalate data, keep the following five tips in mind.

Need to Know Tip #1: Oxalate Levels Vary for the Same Kind of Food.

Plants naturally produce oxalates for survival to ward off microorganisms, fungi, and plant eaters. It also helps them to discard excess calcium they pick up from soils.

Oxalate levels can also vary between different types of the same food. Let’s look at apples as an example, which have over 7,500 varieties grown worldwide. I know of only 24 tests of apples. An Egyptian study found an apple of average size (~ 6 oz) had 15 mg of oxalate, but it doesn’t indicate which type of apple. Meanwhile, other tests conducted in the US found that a Pink Lady apple contains 2 mg of oxalate, a Gala has 2 to 5 mg, and a medium Granny Smith contains 5 mg. Based on a set of tests done for the VP Foundation, variations in oxalate content between varieties of tomatoes is far wider.

Situational factors such as soil content, pH, and weather can impact how much oxalate each plant contains. Unless you test every individual fruit, vegetable, or slice of bread you eat, it’s impossible to know exactly how much oxalate it has. Research reports typically don’t indicate variety, maturity, and other factors with their test results.

How much oxalate is in an avocado?
Photo by Towfiqu Barbhuiya on Unsplash

Current research typically does not seriously investigate variability in foods. And we don’t know how much each type varies and what factors influence this variability. Different growing conditions may explain the difference between US-grown apples and those grown in Egypt. Thankfully, the amounts in apples are relatively low. 

Many foods, herbs, and supplements have only been tested (and reported) once. This means we are unsure of the estimated content for these rarely tested items. Because of natural variation and limited testing, I suggest that you think about the numbers around oxalate levels as somewhat “fuzzy.”

Need to Know Tip #2: Oxalate in Foods Information is Incomplete

What really brings us garbage data are the human factors. It might be the testing method used, sloppy execution of the testing, or inaccurate reporting that explain the 5-times higher oxalate content of the Egyptian apple, and not the apples’ natural variability after all. Without more resources and interest by researchers, we don’t know.

We need to retest many foods to understand the extent of this variability, reveal mistakes, and reduce confusion around the oxalate content of what we eat.

Additionally, plants produce two types of oxalates. The first, oxalic acid, is soluble and is easily absorbed into your bloodstream. The second, oxalate crystals, are insoluble, irritate your digestive tract, but probably don’t enter the bloodstream. Both types of oxalate can impact your body, but in different ways. Many reports don’t make this critical distinction. Only recently has it become common for researchers to distinguish between the two categories of oxalate in their reporting. This can add to the confusion.

What can I eat on a low oxalate diet?
Photo by Thought Catalog on Unsplash

Need to Know Tip #3: Sloppiness is Widespread

Some researchers use unreliable methods in their analysis. (See my coffee post on this problem.) In another case, testing done for the VP Foundation mistakenly used too small a sample in testing oils and got numbers overstating their oxalate content, which is in reality essentially zero. Later, they repeated the testing and reported corrected data. But in both cases the old, wrong data continues to circulate.

Many reports also fail to mention food preparation—such as whether something was tested raw, steamed, boiled, or fried—which can significantly impact oxalate levels and the data’s usefulness for estimating how much oxalate you are eating. All of these factors can create bad data.

There may also be simple data entry mistakes (aka, “typos”) causing confusion. Even our most reliable source of oxalate data, the VP Foundation, has reported several items incorrectly. For example, when they calculated the oxalate in one ounce (28 grams) of sweet potato chips, they mistakenly used “17 grams” instead of 28 grams because one ounce is about 17 chips. Thus, they mis-reported the amount of oxalate per one ounce serving as (37 mg oxalate), which is much lower than it really is (60 mg). 

Two tree fruits compared. Cluster of 3 tamariallo fruits on left, one tamarind pod on right.

Tamarillo and Tamarind are not the same thing

Here’s another example of a reporting error: the experienced German researchers, Hönow and Hesse, said they tested “tamarillo” (a Central and South American tree fruit in the nightshade family) but they described it as “tamarindus indica” (the Indian fruit taramind). Those are entirely different foods, and we don’t know which one they tested. Thus, it’s garbage data, and probably worse than useless.

I’m not bashing anyone with these examples. What you need to realize is this: These mistakes are very easy to make. Even the best data sources contain them. You need to use your head when looking over the data.

Data discrepancies and misunderstandings about oxalates in foods could have critical implications for our health. The scientific community needs to step up to ensure they are not the reason for the confusion. Unfortunately, taking the time to get the facts right is an unusual approach!

Need to Know Tip #4: Older Oxalate Testing Methods Were Less Accurate

Prior to 1980 or so, the usual testing was prone to error. One important source of error affected tests of foods that have very little oxalate but contain abundant vitamin C. For example, the USDA data (published in dietitians’ handbooks) states that radishes are high in oxalate. But they are, in fact, very low. If the vitamin C in the radishes degraded to oxalate during testing it might be a partial explanation for the error. Or, perhaps it’s just bad data management, yet again.

Accurate testing continues to be challenging, but more recent testing tends to offer more reliable information.

Need to Know Tip #5: Oxalate Data Researchers do not Calculate Portion Sizes

To make things more complex for consumers, researchers often don’t translate their numbers into amounts per typical portion size in their reporting. They might, for example, present the results based on the dry weight without calculating the oxalate content of the food as it is normally consumed (including the moisture that was removed before analysis).

How do I know how much oxalate is in the foods I eat?
Photo by Louis Hansel on Unsplash

Let’s go back to the coffee example. One test of instant coffee found 57 mg oxalate per 100 grams of coffee powder. That sounds like a lot! As I explained in my blog post about coffee, you only use one-half to one gram of instant coffee to brew a cup.

Unless you’re choking down an entire cup of undiluted instant coffee powder—or adding high oxalate ingredients like cocoa to make a mocha—coffee is a low-oxalate food. Even if you drink a Venti dark roast from Starbucks every morning (which I don’t recommend because of the caffeine and other chemicals in coffee), you’re not drinking very much oxalate. In addition to how it’s prepared, portion sizes will impact how much oxalate you consume. Researchers need to do a better job at taking portion sizes into account when publishing reports so that consumers can use the data correctly.

We Need More (and Better) Research on Oxalates in Foods

There are significant knowledge gaps in the current literature regarding oxalates in foods and oxalate toxicity. More research is required to understand how much oxalate various foods contain, how much it varies from one variety to another (or for other reasons such as ripeness), and to weed out the technical errors and mistaken conclusions that linger in obsolete publications and in the minds of researchers, doctors, and the unsuspecting public. Unfortunately, “weeding” of medical literature is not something journals have any incentive to bother with, and it is difficult to execute.

It’s enough to make anyone’s head spin, but I have good news: going low oxalate isn’t about bean-counting. It isn’t about strictly accounting for everything you eat or measuring the exact amount of oxalate down to the milligram.

This isn’t Weight Watchers. I dislike tracking everything I eat. It can be distracting, demanding, and impractical. You can successfully lower your oxalate intake without sweating the data details. However, if you love to track things, please do. It will help if you know what you actually ate instead of just what you remember eating.

Practice Tip #1: You Don’t Have to be Perfect

Going low oxalate is about awareness and consistency, not perfection. We have enough information about oxalates in foods that we can make educated decisions about how to structure our diets without getting too hung up on what we’re eating.

Despite the limitations of oxalate data, we know that certain foods are reliably low in oxalate, including meat, poultry, dairy products, fats, true lettuces, white rice, several herbs (dill and thyme, for example) and spices (white pepper, mustard, cayenne pepper), as well as most vegetables in the cabbage family. If you build your diet around these staple foods, you will have no trouble keeping your oxalate levels in a safe range.

Practice Tip #2: Portion Size Matters

Portion size is critically important. Eating one bite of a high-oxalate food, like chocolate cake, is very different from eating an entire slice. Another example would be choosing ONE (normal-sized) chocolate chip cookie instead of a fudge brownie or mug of hot cocoa. While I don’t recommend throwing caution to the wind, you don’t need to sweat occasionally eating a tiny amount of high-oxalate foods (like a few chocolate chips).

We can learn as a community and advocate for better oxalate information.
Photo by Valiant Made on Unsplash

For example, spinach is a high-oxalate food I recommend avoiding. However, if you order a salad at a restaurant, realize some spinach leaves are mixed in, and you accidentally ate one or two of them, don’t worry: you won’t cause more oxalate to collect in your body. Just pick out the rest of the leaves and make sure the remainder of your meal is built around lower-oxalate foods. In fact, by eating small amounts of oxalate, you might avoid or delay heavy oxalate clearing symptoms. That is a good thing.

On the other hand, giving yourself permission to ignore what you’re eating can be a mistake. For example, taking several solid bites of an intense fudge brownie has the potential to bring on symptoms within one to five hours after the indiscretion. It’s not tragic if it happens, but it’s also easy to avoid if you pay attention.

Practice Tip #3: Keep Learning

Going low oxalate is a nuanced process, and there’s always more to learn. As you transition into low-oxalate eating, I’m here to help you make sense of the information that’s out there.

Get the “big rocks” right by using my Beginner’s Guide to trim out the worst offenders and adopt the “safe bets.” The middle ground foods? I’ll help you with that too, but don’t sweat them in the first phase of getting off the dangerously high foods. Tables available via my group meetings and in my book, Toxic Superfoods, will give you further guidance. For lots of specific data, my forthcoming Oxalate Data Resource Manual will provide you with all the particulars currently available for refining your oxalate-aware diet.

June 29, 2019 by Sally K Norton

What Is the Oxalate Content of Coffee?

Oxalate Content of Coffee

One of the most common questions I get when people hear about the health dangers of oxalates is whether coffee is “low” or “high” in oxalate. It’s a good question. After all, most everyone I know depends heavily on coffee to function. This article is not about the wisdom of your caffeine addiction, however. It’s about knowing how much oxalate you’re (not) consuming. To this end, I compiled all the published analyses of the oxalate content of coffee I could find in an attempt to understand why this is a question at all.

It should not have surprised me that looking to scientific reports for answers unearthed a golden example of how bad science comes to pass for truth. We the public don’t know when terrible science is influencing our thinking or inflaming our fears about oxalate in coffee. And we are easy dupes. Our tweet-sized attention span and resistance to technical details makes us headline readers, not thinkers.

Here we enter a bit of a rabbit hole for a good cause. That cause has multiple aims: 1) to improve your confidence that coffee is indeed low in oxalate, 2) raise your awareness that academic journals publish junk science and generate misinformation and, 3) provide an object lesson in the value of taking some time to read the fine print.

Popular Summary Lists Mostly Think the Oxalate Content of Coffee is Low

Lists of high and low oxalate foods from medical centers mostly agree that coffee is low in oxalate (see Table 1. Online Patient-Education Lists from 4 North American Medical Centers). Agreement does not necessarily make them right, nor has it vanquished the ubiquitous confusion about coffee’s oxalate content. Urologists, the public, and even the researchers can’t get or give a straight or consistent answer about oxalate levels. Some medical researchers and clinicians believe that coffee is high in oxalate. I have friends in the medical field who believe it. And they use it as an excuse to resist learning about oxalate or controlling how much they consume. Any threat to the love of their life (coffee) will not be brooked.

Still, there are two solid scientific reasons to believe that coffee is very low in oxalate. The first is that all reputable testing to date has demonstrated that coffee is low in oxalate. The second is the real-world experience of low-oxalate dieters who have maintained a daily coffee habit with health benefits and without signs of oxalate-related symptoms. Other beverages, including hot chocolate, black tea, and green tea, have consistently been found to be high in oxalate and tend to trigger oxalate-related effects (the effects are variable—e.g. night-time irritable bladder).

I have a suspicion that the rumor about coffee being high oxalate originated in confusing reports on the oxalate content of instant coffee powder, which led to misinterpretation of the results. Instant coffee is indeed very high if you eat a whole cup of the undiluted powder. However, no one does that! Instead only about 2g is dissolved in a cup of hot water. The University of Pittsburgh’s patient education lists (Table 1) use a seemingly escalated number for instant coffee (greater than 10 mg per cup). Perhaps their source mistook the powdered coffee’s oxalate content for what is present in a reconstituted cup.

Table 1.

Online Lists of Oxalate Content of Foods

From North American Medical Centers (Patient Education Materials)
List SourceType
(Plain Coffees)
Oxalate ContentURL
Univ. ChicagoRegular Brewed Coffee1 mg/Cuphttps://kidneystones.uchicago.edu/how-to-eat-a-low-oxalate-diet/
Univ. ChicagoDecaffeinated2 mg/Cuphttps://kidneystones.uchicago.edu/how-to-eat-a-low-oxalate-diet/
Univ. HarvardBrewed1 mg/Cuphttps://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nbDZPxhAW4It-m2-c460w6eGr4dMSIeDiQdqg3MaRgQ/edit#gid=1354389148
Univ. Pittsburgh (2003, PK Diet PDF hosted elsewhere)Instant coffee powder"Extremely High"http://www.pkdiet.com/pdf/LowOxalateDiet.pdf
Univ. PittsburghBrewed"Moderately High"
(2-10mg/Cup)
https://www.upmc.com/-/media/upmc/patients-visitors/education/unique-pdfs/low-oxalate-diet.pdf or
http://praveenmodimd.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/Low-Oxalate-Diet-_-Patient-Education-Materials-_-UPMC-Pittsburgh-PA.pdf
Univ. PittsburghInstant Coffee>10 mg/Cuphttps://www.upmc.com/-/media/upmc/patients-visitors/education/unique-pdfs/low-oxalate-diet.pdf or
http://praveenmodimd.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/Low-Oxalate-Diet-_-Patient-Education-Materials-_-UPMC-Pittsburgh-PA.pdf
St. Joseph’s Healthcare Hamilton, ON, Canada (2016)Coffee and decaffeinated coffee“good choice”https://www.stjoes.ca/patients-visitors/patient-education/patient-education-k-o/pd-9447-oxalate-in-food.pdf

Instead of relying on shaky lists, let’s go to the primary sources to consider results reported by credible researchers regarding the oxalate content of coffee.

Published Analyses of the Oxalate Content of Coffee

Oddly, published tests of the oxalate in coffee are relatively few. Perhaps this is because virtually all historically reported tests have found both brewed and instant coffee to be “very low” in oxalate for typical serving sizes (see Table 2. Publications Reporting Oxalate Content in Coffee: Plain and Two Flavored Coffees). There are two articles listed in Table 3 that claim coffee is high in oxalate. I will examine these articles in detail below.

Given that the question appears to be resolved, perhaps that is why testing coffee seems to be uninteresting to researchers. Nobody gets published in a quality journal if they’re reporting one more example of the same old uninteresting result. Lack of interest may perpetuate confusion regarding oxalate content in coffee, as it does for so many other foods.

Table 2 lists 11 published results (from 8 sources) reporting the oxalate content of coffee. These tests analyzed various types of coffee (instant and brewed), as well as two Starbucks flavored coffees. The researchers used a variety of analytical methods.

Coffee cup with question: what is in your cup?

The rightmost column in Table 2 reports milligrams of oxalate in an eight-ounce serving (237 ml). Instant and unflavored brewed coffee have somewhere between 0.7 and 2.4 milligrams of oxalate per cup. Flavored coffees may have higher oxalate content coming from ingredients other than the coffee.  In particular, notice that a Starbucks mocha latte has 47 mg of oxalate per cup, which is high – but at least 80% of that oxalate is coming from the (chocolate) mocha.

Keep in mind that today’s mugs, like our waistlines, have gotten rather large.  Eight ounces is roughly what you get in a “short” Starbucks cup. A typical small takeout coffee is usually twelve ounces (Starbucks “tall”), a medium size is 16 ounces (Starbucks “grande”), and a large is 20 ounces (Starbucks “venti”). Scale the oxalate results accordingly. Portion size always makes a difference, but fortunately coffee is low enough that the oxalate hit even from a large-sized unflavored coffee won’t be especially dramatic.

Table 2

Publications Reporting Oxalate Content in Coffee:

Plain and Two Flavored Coffees
YearReferenceAnalytical MethodVariety TestedData as reportedMg Per 8 ounce (237 ml) serving
1962Zarembski and Hodgkinson ((Zarembski PM, Hodgkinson A. The oxalic acid content of English diets. British Journal of Nutrition. 1962;16(01):627. doi:10.1079/BJN19620061))Colorimetric determination of ether-extracted, acid-processed sampleNescafe Instant powder 57mg/100g powder0.7
(Estimated as if prepared using 0.5 g powder per 100 ml)
1962Zarembski and Hodgkinson ((Zarembski PM, Hodgkinson A. The oxalic acid content of English diets. British Journal of Nutrition. 1962;16(01):627. doi:10.1079/BJN19620061))Colorimetric determination of ether-extracted, acid-processed sampleGround Arabica with 5% chicory; 2mg powder/100g water, infused for 5-minutes1mg/100g liquid2.4
1980Kasidas and Rose ((Kasidas GP, Rose GA. Oxalate content of some common foods: determination by an enzymatic method. J Hum Nutr. 1980;34(4):255-266))Enzyme (oxalate decarboxylase) assay modified for food analysisNescafe Instant3.2mg/ liter
prepared 0.5g powder per 100ml water
0.8
1992/1993Elmadfa et al (cited in ((Hönow R, Hesse A. Comparison of extraction methods for the determination of soluble and total oxalate in foods by HPLC-enzyme-reactor. Food Chemistry. 2002;78(4):511-521. doi:10.1016/S0308-8146(02)00212-1)))UnknownUnknown1mg/100g brewed2.4
1995McKay et al ((McKay DW, Seviour JP, Comerford A, Vasdev S, Massey LK. Herbal Tea: An Alternative to Regular Tea for those who Form Calcium Oxalate Stones. Journal of the American Dietetic Association. 1995;95(3):360-361. doi:10.1016/S0002-8223(95)00093-3))Enzyme assayMaxwell House Drip1.6 mg per 250ml (8.4 ounces) brewed.1.5
1997Clinic Ciba-Geigy (cited in ((Hönow R, Hesse A. Comparison of extraction methods for the determination of soluble and total oxalate in foods by HPLC-enzyme-reactor. Food Chemistry. 2002;78(4):511-521. doi:10.1016/S0308-8146(02)00212-1)))UnknownUnknown1mg/100g brewed2.4
2002Hönow and Hesse ((Hönow R, Hesse A. Comparison of extraction methods for the determination of soluble and total oxalate in foods by HPLC-enzyme-reactor. Food Chemistry. 2002;78(4):511-521. doi:10.1016/S0308-8146(02)00212-1))High Performance Liquid Chromatography (HPLC) with Enzyme-ReactorBrewed 30g coffee per Liter0.5 – 0.7 mg/100g brewed1.4
2004Galli and Barbas ((Galli V, Barbas C. Capillary electrophoresis for the analysis of short-chain organic acids in coffee. Journal of Chromatography A. 2004;1032(1):299-304. doi:10.1016/j.chroma.2003.09.028))Capillary electrophoresisRoasted Colombian25.6mg/100g ground coffee (not brewed)1.8
est. for standard brewed equiv.: 30g per liter water
2004Galli and Barbas ((Galli V, Barbas C. Capillary electrophoresis for the analysis of short-chain organic acids in coffee. Journal of Chromatography A. 2004;1032(1):299-304. doi:10.1016/j.chroma.2003.09.028))Capillary electrophoresisLyophilised Colombian coffee17mg/100g ground coffee (not brewed)1.2
est. for standard brewed equiv.: 30g per liter water
2010Liebman / VP Foundation ((The Low Oxalate Diet Addendum Summer 2010 - Numerical Values Table. The VP Foundation Newsletter. 2010;(34) ))Capillary electrophoresis or enzymatic assay (not specified)Starbucks4.3 mg/100g10 (“short”)
2010Liebman / VP Foundation ((The Low Oxalate Diet Addendum Summer 2010 - Numerical Values Table. The VP Foundation Newsletter. 2010;(34) ))Capillary electrophoresis or enzymatic assay (not specified)Starbucks20 mg/100g47 (“short”)
Coffee urns with overlaid table of oxalate content by cup volume.

Low-Hanging Fruit: Rotten or Not!

Let’s take a close look at the two studies that report that coffee is very high in oxalate.

If you’re expecting the latest publication to offer a definitive answer, you will be misled when you find the 2012 article from Elzbieta Rusinek ((Rusinek E. Evaluation of soluble oxalates content in infusions of different kinds of tea and coffee available on the Polish market. Rocz Panstw Zakl Hig. 2012;63(1):25-30)) which reports very high numbers for the oxalate content in coffee (Table 3: Studies Claiming Coffee is High). Rusinek published in a Polish journal that appears in Pubmed (the online research database of the National Institutes of Health). The easiest article to find when you search for “coffee” and “oxalate” is Rusinek’s. When you look over Table 2, you’ll see that the studies by McKay and by Hönow and Hesse don’t use the word “coffee” in the title of their articles, nor do they have coffee as a key word, making those articles difficult to find.

In addition to being the easiest to find, the full text of the Rusinek article is also freely available to anyone with an internet connection because the journal is an “open access” publication where all articles are free to download. In stark contrast to being free and accessible, the majority of bio-medical studies are issued by publishers expecting payment from readers. if you’re not affiliated with a university (which may pay hundreds of thousands of dollars for subscriptions), you might have to pay $35 or $40 dollars to read or download a single paper, such as the Hönow and Hesse article. Such articles are described as being behind a “paywall”.

How do we explain these very different results?

The trouble with the 2012 Rusinek study is that it seems to be junk. However, that is not obvious to non-chemists.  I’ve reported Rusinek’s results, and the results from another Polish study that she was emulating methodologically, in Table 3.  Those results state that brewed coffee has 71 to 114 mg of oxalate per cup, and that instant has 110 to 361 mg of oxalate per cup.

All the other recent studies (since 1990) have found coffee to have 1.5 – 2.5mg of oxalate per cup. These two Polish studies report that coffee is nearly forty times higher than all previous studies! Even though Rusinek herself was scratching her head over the vast disparity of her results, she made no effort to determine why her results differed and she published them anyway. With mushy language, she offers readers a vague excuse for her results and their “apparent divergence”; here’s the full passage:

“It is difficult to compare the studies presenting the results of the soluble oxalates analyses in the instant and ground coffees with our results because of their apparent divergence. The result of determinations of oxalates content in teas and coffees is influenced by the various analytical methods of different sensitivity used, as well as processes related to acquisition followed by burning, grinding and mixing procedures, extraction conditions and the initial mass of the sample.”

Rusinek, E (2012) ((Rusinek E. Evaluation of soluble oxalates content in infusions of different kinds of tea and coffee available on the Polish market. Rocz Panstw Zakl Hig. 2012;63(1):25-30)), p. 29

Table 3

Studies Claiming Coffee is High In Oxalate

Hint: Do not believe them!
YearReferenceAnalytical MethodVarieties TestedData as ReportedMg Per 8 ounce (237 ml) serving
2010Sperkowska and Bazylak ((Sperkowska B, Bazylak G. Evaluation of oxalate content in brews of black teas and coffees available in Poland. Nauka Przyroda Technologie. 2010;4(3):#42. doi:10.17306/J.NPT.2010.3.42))Potassium Permanganate TitrationVarious ground available in Poland 47.94 mg/ 100g brewed; 796 mg/100g dry114 (brewed)
2010Sperkowska and Bazylak ((Sperkowska B, Bazylak G. Evaluation of oxalate content in brews of black teas and coffees available in Poland. Nauka Przyroda Technologie. 2010;4(3):#42. doi:10.17306/J.NPT.2010.3.42))Potassium Permanganate TitrationVarious instant coffees available in Poland152.19 mg/100g prepared; 2536 mg/100g dry361 (reconstituted instant)
2012Rusinek ((Rusinek E. Evaluation of soluble oxalates content in infusions of different kinds of tea and coffee available on the Polish market. Rocz Panstw Zakl Hig. 2012;63(1):25-30))Potassium Permanganate TitrationVarious ground and instant available in Poland18-40 mg /100g for brewed and 37-56 mg/100g for reconstituted instant.71 (brewed)

110 (reconstituted instant)

Exposed: Bad Methods, Laziness and Sloppiness

To understand why Rusinek’s article is bad science, the next sections of this post consider her poor choice of method, her failure to consider other methods, and errors of fact in her paper. If you don’t have patience for learning about the science, you can skip to the last section on how to make sense of oxalate data.

Permanganate Titration is an Unreliable Method for Measuring Oxalate

Truth be told, it’s pretty likely that the discrepancy begins with the fact that Rusinek (and Sperkowska and Bazyluk, the other paper in Table 3) used an outdated analytic method called permanganate titration. This method uses a titrant, permanganate, to generate a litmus-like test of oxalate content. The persistence of a light pink color indicates that the reaction of the permanganate with the oxalate is complete. Here is Rusinek’s description: “Titration in hot temperature was conducted with 0.02 N solution of potassium permanganate until pink color appeared and remained for about 1 minute.” p.27

There are several inherent problems with permanganate titration. For one, it is very easy to over-estimate the amount of the material (oxalate in this case) that is being sought with this method. Lab instructions for performing this test explain that the overestimate happens because the permanganate ion is able to “autocatalyze” its own destruction which requires additional (excess) permanganate titrant to reach the endpoint. The oxalate content is determined by measuring how much of the titrant was consumed, so if the permanganate consumes itself the result is going to overstate the amount of oxalate.

But there are other problems with the permanganate titration method. In their 1980 study on oxalate in foods, GP Kasidas and GA Rose ((Kasidas GP, Rose GA. Oxalate content of some common foods: determination by an enzymatic method. J Hum Nutr. 1980;34(4):255-266)) point out that “…substances such as citrate could be extracted with oxalate and might have interfered with the subsequent precipitation and titration with permanganate.”2 But you can go back 20 years earlier and see that the perils of using the permanganate method were already well-known by the early 1960s. At that time UK-based leaders in the oxalate field, PM Zarembski and A Hodgkinson ((Zarembski PM, Hodgkinson A. The oxalic acid content of English diets. British Journal of Nutrition. 1962;16(01):627. doi:10.1079/BJN19620061)), concluded that alternative colorimetric procedures are less subject to processing-related issues and therefore preferred over the permanganate titration method.

Rusinek does not explain the reasons for choosing an inferior method of analysis that had been out of favor for about 50 years prior to her publication. We can safely conclude that Rusinek’s analytical methods contributed to her wildly skewed results. Given her poor choice of method and lack of comparison to more widely accepted methods, Rusinek’s results can confidently be classified as spurious.

Good Scientists Study their Methods, not just their Samples

It is interesting to compare Ruth Hönow and Albrecht Hesse’s 2002 article ((Hönow R, Hesse A. Comparison of extraction methods for the determination of soluble and total oxalate in foods by HPLC-enzyme-reactor. Food Chemistry. 2002;78(4):511-521. doi:10.1016/S0308-8146(02)00212-1)) to Rusinek’s to get a sense of what happens with better science.

In the Department of Urology at the University of Bonn (Germany), Hönow and Hesse sought to validate a new, simpler method for testing oxalate content in food. They also explicitly wanted to determine if or when artifacts of the new testing process could skew their results. And when they tested cherries, they found that for some reason their approach led to higher estimates of oxalate content than previously reported. Instead of brandishing their new findings as “truth”, they did a detailed examination of what might have led their method to “go wrong”, including testing with an alternate method. The result is honest science, and a paper that not only reports believable data obtained using a credible method, but also carefully explains the advantages, pitfalls and limitations of the method.

Errors in Citing Previous Studies

Apart from the poor choice of analytic technique and lack of critical examination of the method and the results, there is one more reason to distrust Rusinek’s report. Her results for coffee deviated massively from every previous study. But in reporting the previous studies, she made misstatements that downplay just how big the deviation is.

First, she claimed falsely that Hönow and Hesse found an oxalate concentration of “10.6 mg/100 cm3 of infusion” (p. 29). In fact, they reported 0.5 to 0.7 mg/100g (see Table 2 above). (For purposes of comparison, 100 cm3 is the same as 100 ml, which for brewed coffee weighs almost exactly 100g, so the reported oxalate content is all on the same basis.)

Rusinek invented a number (10.6mg/100 cm3) that is twenty times larger than the real number (0.5 to 0.7 mg/100g). In doing so, Rusinek implied that her results are two to four times higher than Hönow and Hesse. However it’s much worse than that. If she were honest about the numbers, Rusinek would have to admit her results are 50 times higher: 71 mg per cup versus 1.4 mg per cup.

Our sloppy researcher makes another important citation mistake as well: “[C]onducted in the Sixties Zarembski and Hodgkinson’s studies on oxalic acid in the English diets the oxalates were at the level of 57.00 mg in the infusion of instant coffee (emphasis mine) ‘Nescafe’ from the Arabica beans which was prepared from 2 g sample soaked for 5 minutes with 100 cm3 water at 40°C.” But as shown in Table 1, the article reported 57mg for the instant coffee powder and not the infusion. Moreover, Zarembski and Hodgkinson did not analyze the prepared instant coffee, only the powder. The statement regarding their preparation method is also a “miscommunication”: the sample preparation method Rusinek describes is the one that Zarembski and Hodgkinson used for brewed coffee, not instant.

In her defense, Rusinek’s mistake is easy to make. Zarembski and Hodgkinson reported brewed coffee results on the basis of milligrams per liter of brewed coffee, yet they reported instant coffee on the basis of milligrams per 100g of dry powder.  And I suspect the same mistake is probably happening in patient education materials like those in Table 1 when they decide that instant coffee is spectacularly high in oxalate: they are misinterpreting data presented as oxalate in powder or dry material as if it were the value for the prepared drink. If you’re making a cup of instant coffee from two grams of powder, and the powder has 57mg per 100g, you’re only getting 1.14mg of oxalate in that cup!

I’m not convinced that Rusinek’s sloppiness is entirely innocent. The effect of both these errors is to understate the magnitude of the discrepancy between her results and respected prior research by almost two orders of magnitude.

But Wait! Isn’t There Another Study Saying Coffee is High?

One more reference offered by Rusinek deserves comment (and inclusion next to her results in the Table 3 “Hall of Shame”). In support of her findings, Rusinek cites a 2010 article by Sperkowska and Bazylak published in another Polish journal ((Sperkowska B, Bazylak G. Evaluation of oxalate content in brews of black teas and coffees available in Poland. Nauka Przyroda Technologie. 2010;4(3):#42. doi:10.17306/J.NPT.2010.3.42)) . The study featured in that article appears methodologically identical to Rusinek’s: obtaining coffee and tea samples from local stores, brewing them up, and analyzing them with a harsh preparation process followed by permanganate titration for the measurement step.

Because the Sperkowska and Bazylak article is only available in Polish, I won’t take it on in detail. In the abstract (available in English), their tests found the amount of oxalate in instant coffee powder to be 25.36mg/g of dry mass, or 2.536 grams per 100 grams. In other words, they claim that 2.5% of the instant powder (by mass) is pure oxalate. If instant coffee really were that high, surely someone else using other methods would have noticed! And the vendors would probably make more money selling it as a cleaning product to remove stains from your coffee cup than as a food.

Why were these authors confused? Did they make mistakes? Did they lie? Did they have bad editors? Or did none of them really care what they were publishing? Regardless of how it happened, the bottom line is: low quality papers get accepted and published by seemingly respectable journals.

Other False Claims that Coffee is High in Oxalate

Another article available on Pubmed states bluntly in its title that coffee is a significant source of dietary oxalate. The reference is Gasińska and Gajewska (2007) ((A Gasińska, D Gajewska, Tea and coffee as the main sources of oxalate in diets of patients with kidney oxalate stones. Rocz Panstw Zakl Hig. 2007;58(1):61-7)) entitled “Tea and coffee as the main sources of oxalate in diets of patients with kidney oxalate stones.” (I presume it’s an odd coincidence that this study was published several years earlier in the same Polish journal as Rusinek’s later study. We’ll leave it to someone else to diagnose the curious and apparently unique compulsion for Polish researchers to publish claims that coffee is high in oxalate!)

Gasińska and Gajewska did not conduct any oxalate testing of foods eaten by kidney stone sufferers. Instead, the 2007 study surveyed kidney stone patients (using an unspecified food-frequency questionnaire and 3-day food record) about their diets, and used other published oxalate content numbers to estimate how much oxalate the patients had been eating and from what sources. They offered no real detail about how they performed this magic trick. The Food-Frequency Questionnaire (FFQ) method is rife with pitfalls. For one, FFQs are not designed to distinguish between high and low oxalate foods. For example, spinach and arugula (opposite ends of the spectrum of oxalate content) are considered the same food type; and how much did you eat last year anyway?! Let’s not go any deeper into that annoying topic!

Here’s the stinker: Gasińska and Gajewska stated that their number for coffee oxalate content came from the 1995 McKay et al study ((McKay DW, Seviour JP, Comerford A, Vasdev S, Massey LK. Herbal Tea: An Alternative to Regular Tea for those who Form Calcium Oxalate Stones. Journal of the American Dietetic Association. 1995;95(3):360-361. doi:10.1016/S0002-8223(95)00093-3)). Specifically, they write: “The intake of oxalate was estimated on the basis of [a] table with oxalate concentration in tea and coffee by McKay et al” (Gasińska and Gajewska, p.62). But the McKay study (see Table 2 above) showed that coffee was very low! And the problem is not just that Gasińska and Gajewska misread the data table from McKay. They apparently also didn’t read the article text, where McKay et al state bluntly “Coffee prepared by the drip method was also found to have a low oxalate content–similar to that of herbal teas” (McKay et al, p.361).

So clearly the editors and reviewers of the Gasińska and Gajewska article did a terrible job of fact-checking. (For crying out loud, people, how can you put “coffee” in the title and not check the source?) At best, their article might support the assertion that tea is a major source of dietary oxalate. But that’s not news, and their coffee claim amounts to garbage.

These problematic articles that put the word “coffee” in the title are free. They appear in a seemingly legitimate journal, and in the index on Pubmed, so they must be true, right? Almost no one takes the time to correct the record or have these studies retracted.

And that, dear internet, is how bad science takes flight and lives on and on and on.

How do you make sense of oxalate data?

A lot of the information on the internet about oxalate content for any food (not just coffee) is problematic. The USDA table, for example, is filled with errors and only offers a tiny set of foods. Mistakes get introduced into the record as a result of a combination of outdated or inaccurate testing, bad math (and misinterpretation of what is actually being reported), and poor availability of the science. Even in good research, the numbers are often not reported in units that dietitians and consumers can use directly.

Because of the variability in testing procedures and in the foods themselves, there is always some uncertainty. It would be great if there were programs in operation that would repeatedly:

Oxalate content of Starbucks lattes in different sizes.
Flavored Coffees are Not Necessarily Low in Oxalate
  • Sample lots of common foods;
  • Be specific about the botanical variety being tested and its state of freshness and ripeness;
  • Describe in detail the culinary preparation methods;
  • Test the foods multiple times for oxalate content using a variety of analytical methods;
  • Describe the methods in detail, and
  • Present the results in a format that can be used to calculate dietary intake of oxalate.

For now, we’ll just have to keep making do with what has been reported by responsible researchers: plain coffee, even instant, has under 3mg of oxalate per cup. Let’s hope that the growing interest in the benefits of low-oxalate eating will inspire better standards and more publication of results that are reliable. We should also call attention to bad data on websites (and get the bad data off the USDA list of oxalate content).

Thanks for making it all the way through this technical article. I hope it is a valuable example of how bad science is abundant and problematic.

Disclaimer

I want to point out explicitly that I am not myself a coffee-drinker, and I wouldn’t personally recommend coffee to anyone. I’m not “defending” it because I want to drink coffee, but rather because I have a strong commitment to convey complete, honest, and useful information (and call “BS” when I see it).

March 15, 2019 by Sally K Norton

A Chronic Illness: What Recovery Looks Like

Five+ Years of Low Oxalate — Reflections, Lessons, & Progress.

Back in November of 2018, I had a big anniversary: Five years since my (re)beginning and consistently sticking with the low oxalate diet (LOD)! Those of you who are considering or starting on this path of self-care might like some sort of note from your possible future. What will things be like after years of staying the course? I hope my experience will help to encourage you when things aren’t going as well as you are wanting. First let me offer some context.

A Quick Flash Back

I was in Graduate School at the University of North Carolina (UNC-CH), a patient at the medical clinic for student health. I dared to confess (to the grey-haired doctor) not only my weird symptoms but my observation that my symptoms would follow eating a variety of foods. I knew I was risking his skepticism or criticism, but I really needed help.

After eating whole wheat bread, I would feel both mentally and physically exhausted; soy seemed to cause my face to break out; and some days I would wake up with puffy eyes and a lot of fine wrinkles on my face, other days, not. He ran no tests, asked few questions, and quickly told me that my symptoms were all imaginary. He said, “you need psych-services”—three times. Belittled and soundly dismissed and by “my” doctor, I did sort of feel like I could use a shoulder to cry on. But there was no time for that with a statistics final exam the very next day!

In the meantime, my gynecologist at the UNC student clinic was taking repeat biopsies of my cervix because the tissues there looked so very cancerous. Fortunately, the results kept coming back as “chronic inflammation”. Neither of my doctors could imagine that my body was reacting to toxins, or that my immune system was in hyperdrive, agitated by irritants.

Medical “Care”

Medical practitioners (and other “experts”) have a long history of dismissing problems they don’t understand by accusing the victims of being hysterical or mental cases who need counseling. If you don’t fit their preexisting menu of “legitimate” problems, if you have too many complaints or otherwise feel sort of crummy a lot of the time, then the general attitude is: Well, you can’t be suffering from an organic illness with real causes.

They, the experts, don’t approve of conditions that don’t fit their lists or don’t conform to their assumptions or respond to symptom-hiding remedies. Their inability to help makes us malingerers, cry-babies, or one of the “worried well” (a new blanket term replacing previous labels like “female hysteria”). Likewise, family and friends can also be dismissive, or at best, at a loss as to how to be supportive of us when we struggle with a chronic mystery illness. And, few are tolerant of the idea that dietary changes might have merit.

Sharing to Teach

Given this cultural context, it must be either an act of bravery or recklessness to share publicly the depth and breadth of a multi-focal and wholly ignored illness like dietary oxalosis (oxalate toxicity). Am I foolish, brave, or reckless to admit that I had a lot of stuff bothering me that nobody could figure out? Yes, Yes, Yes. Accuse me of all three. I’m willing to stick my neck out in sharing my story for those who also suffer from a bunch of nasty problems hamstringing their lives.

How Weird is This?

Invariably, the characterization used in the medical literature for this oxalosis problem is “heterogeneous.” The symptoms of excess oxalate in the human body are indeed variable: different for the same individual at different times and different from person to person. Medical writers also use the term “asymptomatic” a lot—but that is yet another issue. The silent start of this disease might mean that things appear normal and healthy until symptoms show up later in the more problematic stages.

The bottom line, confusing as it can be, is this: The same disease looks very different in different people (and is often “silent” in the early stages). All the systems and all the tissues of the body can be affected by oxalate. All of them, every last one. On the other hand, in some people only a few body parts protest. There are no rules of toxic biology that comply with medical expectations or the handbook of medical diagnosis.

A Look at Oxalate Illness

The visible signs that oxalates are interfering with the maintenance and smooth running of our bodies don’t present specific universal patterns unique to this disease. In general, we can divide the likely factors behind this into two general categories. For one, the differing effects and severity in each person most likely reflect a person’s unique history of exposure. Here are some examples of what I mean:

  • timing of intake of high oxalate foods with age and related developmental stages,
  • states of wellness or infection at the time (or pseudo-infections that comes with vaccination),
  • a status of injury or overuse in some area(s) of the body,
  • personal nutritional and sleep habits,
  • levels of physical or emotional stress,
  • microbiome status, gut health,
  • kidney function.

Another source of the varied individual expressions of this disease are each person’s unique vulnerabilities that come from constitutional or metabolic tendencies and factors influencing genetic expression.

Remember too that the various body parts entangled with oxalate are unlikely to hold meetings to decide who among them can be harmed by oxalate, who may be spared (or appear to be spared for now), and who can cope with their level of oxalate exposure without subpar performance.

Reflections After 5 Years on the Low Oxalate Diet

Trite as it sounds, this diet has brought me back to life. Now, life-long health mysteries are not so mysterious. After years of suffering with pain, fatigue, sinus problems and bad feet, there was the possibility of a cure—discovering the cause, putting an end to it, and reversing my chronic symptoms.

It’s Not Just My Joints that Are Happier

The crazy-long list of my health problems (involving sleep, joints, feet, chemical sensitivity, skin, etc.) has shrunk considerably! The payoff from this diet is many-fold. It has allowed me to work and live a full life again, where once that was far from the case. I feel like I’ve grown 30 years younger. My spine moves, my brain works, I can sleep, run, and play in ways that were not possible five years ago. Back then, I was debilitated—too tired to work, to think, to read, and unable to tolerate exercise without extreme fatigue for days after.

I had an explanation and I had undeniable results. But the explanation, which initially seemed more than perplexing to me, also felt like an outrageous double cross. “Healthy” foods can make you very sick?  Oh yes they can!

About the Cause

The toxicity caused by too much oxalate in my diet was the result of eating real, whole foods. It was the result of abiding by the best health advice I knew: “Eat vegetables, emphasize leafy greens, eat beans in place of meat, eat walnuts for omega-3 fats and low-carb snacking”, I did all these things for years. I was very fond of vegetables even as a little kid. I loved real food, and still do.

Discovery, Frustration, and So Much to Learn

When I started oxalate-aware eating, I knew nothing about the chemistry or biology of oxalate and oxalic acid or its tendency to leave deposits in the body that needed to come out. (Neither do most doctors and nutritionists.) Knowing so little, I was shocked by all the benefits and funny reactions I was getting. I did not fully understand why this dietary change improves both new and old health problems, yet triggers rashes, eye sties, cold sores, peeling skin, or a variety of other oddities.

My scientific understanding needed a big boost, so I headed to the medical library. Information on chronic oxalate illness wasn’t simple to dig up there, either. After a lot of effort and time, I learned that oxalate is a known toxin with wide-ranging effects on the body. It has a long history of causing illness and the low oxalate diet is known to reverse illness.

Oxalate is known to collect in tissues. This phenomenon lacked much explanation except in cases when the disease is the genetic form, or the oxalate poisoning is acute. The chronic effects of either acute or chronic exposure on the body are still not well understood. Sadly, even the possibility of long-term effects is ignored by the establishment. In its entirety, the science is still waiting to be valued, explored, and understood.

Tragically, the many fascinating scientific findings about oxalate over the last 200 years are not adequately followed-up (if they are not soon forgotten) and the repeated warnings about the risks of routinely eating high oxalate foods are ignored. Of all the many problems with our understanding and recognition of oxalate-related diseases the most frustrating problem is this: Even receptive scientists or clinical workers do not demand accurate information about oxalate in foods. Without this, we cannot implement or study the effects of oxalate-aware eating. Thus, the diet cannot really be successful as a clinical tool. (Not that doctors are receptive to using an elimination diet, as they don’t wish to practice nutrition.)

A Quick Recap of Science Lessons Learned: A List

Here is a short list of some of the science about oxalate’s effects in our bodies. For more about this, please check back with my science page.

Oxalate:

  • creates crystals anywhere in the body, including in the arteries, joints, bones, and thyroid gland.
  • gets stuck in our tissues in idiosyncratic ways (different in each individual).
  • disturbs digestive health and the function of other organs, connective tissues, and cells.
  • causes muscles to lose potassium (and creates other electrolyte imbalances too), which can cause muscle knots, weakness, and heart palpitations.
  • triggers immune reactions that promote inflammation, pain, and autoimmune disease.
  • are toxic to nerves and the brain.
  • can destroy your sleep. (This is a repeated and widespread finding from real people, I have not seen mention of oxalate specifically in the sleep literature.)

The Beginning is Just the Beginning

As is true with most illness, the condition of oxalate toxicity does not immediately end when the diet begins. Internal residues of oxalate persist. The gradual process of dismantling them can generate difficult symptoms. These symptoms are often inflammatory and typically have some consequences for the nervous system, affecting mood, attention, sleep, physical coordination. This is true for me even after five years of faithful conformity to the diet. The diet allows the healing process to continue in its own mysterious ways.

Still Not on Easy Street

But the five years of recovery have been challenging. There’s much more to it than just “eating less and getting better”, even though that’s a great place for almost anyone to start.

The healing process can be brutal in the first few years. For me, there have been days, way too many days, where the pain and despair caused me to question the extent of the benefits of avoiding oxalate. My own doubt, skepticism, or uncertainty would, at times, compound the miserable physical and mental symptoms. Despite near perfect execution of the diet, pain and ill feelings would reappear in an on-again, off-again fashion. Sometimes they rise up in the middle of a really good week and abruptly stop me in my tracks. Sometimes symptoms would linger. Those days the abyss was wide: The gulf between the struggle I was living and my hope of fully restored health framed a dismally disappointing picture. And yet, it was also fascinating, because it is undeniable that I was continuing to get better. Something powerful is going on here.

Ongoing Recovery Means Still Improving and this Means Some Suffering

The often unpleasant, recovery process is far from over. My body is still blasting away at the oxalate within. Thick, cloudy, crystal-loaded urine both coincide with and follow days of back pain, fatigue, and mental fog. Then, finally a really great day appears: mental clarity and strong supple body enjoying abundant sustained energy. Then a day of symptoms again. So it goes, up and down. The down days get more bearable and the good days more common. Still healing.

So many melodramatic symptoms! They are likely a sign of a strong vital force whipping up a storm intended to blow up and move the mess—out! After one episode passes, the healing force moves on to another junk pile to blow away. And so the process continues on and on. Up and down. Up and down. One good day is followed by 5 hard days. One good week is followed by six hard days. The trend is upward, but the line is jagged!

Is this continuing drama because of some other metabolic problem? Or is this just oxalate deposit removal work? A number of things make it hard to recognize that oxalate is the key to so much suffering. The variable symptom patterns are one factor. The lack of recognition of the implications of persistent high oxalate levels inside the body (due to the sequestering self-defense strategy used when intake is high) is another. Until we have intensive clinical research, the only good way to test this is to eat this way and learn from personal experience. You might be surprised by the benefits that will win you over.

As the body works hard undoing the mess, let’s work with the ways and rhythms of biology. Make your lifestyle supportive. Think: yoga, meditation, rest, limiting sugar and over all carbs, avoiding toxins and junk food. Other modalities (targeted supplements and sauna, for example) can round out a path to vibrant health. All of these self-care practices require constancy to yield the results that unfold gradually over time. Remember that the tortoise won the race. (Rabbits, on the other hand, push too hard, jump around, and either get lost, distracted or burnt out.)

Turn Off the Healing?

How do you moderate or turn-off the body’s impulse to clean out the mess? (We want to do this because it can be brutal.) Hopes of having some say in this requires us to understand the triggers of the clearance process. Down here in the trenches, we can only guess. The triggers seem to be low oxalate intake and being well nourished (with minerals, energy and protein). Does this mean we have to add back some oxalate in the diet? Or fast, or stop taking minerals? Perhaps a diet of 40 mg of oxalate in every meal would hold back the healing reactions? The answers may not be simple, but it would be nice if someone could study this formally. No one individual can do this and prove it a better approach. Careful testing and monitoring of many people over several years would be needed. (I have not done a statistical power calculation.) Such research would take resources and expertise that is out of reach, for now.

Challenge Testing

Some of us don’t notice the benefits or for other reasons. They are more likely to drift off the diet – especially in the early years. This drifting tends to create unintended, private (n=1) “oxalate challenge tests”. This can wake up an oxalate sufferer to the reality of it and pulls them back on course. Just a bowl of freshly picked figs, a baked potato, or a few nut bars and, wow, significant feedback from their body usually pops up—an agitated, sleepless night; too many trips to the bathroom; fatigue; achy wrists; something. It’s as if one’s previous apparent tolerance has been unmasked by the period of avoiding oxalate.

Still, by going back to shunning high oxalate foods and making smart selections among the many other food options, one can relax back into a healing path.

Where I am Today

Now, I am living a full life doing more than most people manage to do. So far, the low oxalate diet has given me a lot. See this table for a before and after comparison:

NowBefore Low Oxalate Diet
Sleep is restorative (after about 10 days on the diet I started waking up feeling good). Restless legs: 95% gone and milder when it does happen. Brain waking up 29 times every hour. Extreme fatigue, even during mornings. Restless legs (Diagnosis based on sleep lab was “Periodic limb movement disorder” and involved arm movements too).
I can read and think and write.Had lost my reading comprehension and mental energy (likely due to sleep problem).
Fully functional feet (not seen in 30 years!), My feet did not tolerate jumping, darting side to side, the wearing of heels, or going barefoot without aching.
More flexible and strong joints with very little pain. Stiffness of joints and connective tissues; occasional random swelling and weakness of fingers, wrists, knees.
Quick recovery from exercise Post exercise fatigue would last 3 -4 days
A seemingly better vascular system and improved lung capacity. No more hiccups. Cold hands and feet. Mildly restricted ability to breathe deeply. Hiccups at night (often severe and painful).
Immune system is calmer with less inflammation overall.   Several “autoimmune” problems like indigestion, IBS, rheumatoid arthritis; “fibro” symptoms, many allergies, and allergic fatigue, puffy eye bags.
Bloating and belching is rare. Unstoppable belching fits at bedtime.
A more youthful and regenerating body (I’m reclaiming my physical abilities.) Felt worn out, aged, physical vitality slipping away.
Skin is stronger and less wrinkled.
Few to no hangnails. Much tougher skin on the bottoms of my feet.
Bagging neck skin and eye area wrinkle. Frail skin especially noticeable around my nails where hangnails were constant. Tender skin on feet.
Less tartar; no more cavities; less tooth sensitivity (despite some significant flare-ups in the first 2 years on the diet). Constant tartar and frequent cavities in rear molars, sensitive to sweet and cold. Chewing could be uncomfortable.
Few muscle knots. (Potassium supplements were required to achieve this.) Abundant painful muscle knots in shoulders and back.
Increased bone density (increase of 4% at hip; 10% in back, according to DEXA scans) (Potassium may be helping with this too.) Osteopenia.
Improved tolerance to chemicals and fragrances. (No long tail of fatique.) Headaches and persistent fatigue easily triggered by breathing chemicals and exhaust.
Thyroid lumps and enlargement are gone. Reduced thyroid medication by half. Lumpy thyroid and below normal thyroid levels.

Changing Perspective

At the five-year point, I can see how far I have come. Yes, I want even more days of awesome. But being alive in this very honest way is good. After all, it is the amazing progress that emboldens me to dare hope for more. New possibilities expand across my horizons, even if some days those possibilities seem teasingly out of reach!

From this high peak of five years of recovery I can enjoy the view. I remember how far I have come. I can do so much more than before. I see so much progress. Part of “getting there” is a matter of remembering just how good you have it now. Not fighting this moment is part of making our next moments better.

Letting the process be what it is (vs demanding different results)

For those of us who are especially loaded with oxalate, the recovery process is a hard endurance challenge. The body needs to and wants to clean out and recover from decades of excessive oxalate consumption. As the body works to heal, it necessarily uses some rough techniques for blasting out oxalate calcifications. It unearths, attacks, dismantles, disintegrates, disperses and expels toxic crystals from cells and tissues. This work involves disruption of the status quo with inflammation and destruction. This can be painful, nerves don’t like it, muscles don’t like it, kidneys don’t like it. Your brain, your mood, your whole self, they all take a hit. It can be truly awful. (This is one major reason why both researchers and individuals overlook the benefits of the diet — the amount of oxalate in the blood and urine doesn’t necessarily drop consistently and the related symptoms persist.)

Don’t fight the waves, let the tide carry you forward.

Well, the bumpy healing process is what it needs to be. I may want joy, bliss, energy, and strength all the time; after all, I’ve been so good! What I get instead is occasional, unpredictable pain, wavering hope, and feelings of defeat. When these conditions prevail, it is our own expectations and impatience that erodes our confidence and threatens our resolve. Don’t give in to the downward pull of the bleak moments. Just know that it is temporary and will pass. Be willing to wait.

In the not-too-distant future, you’ll be feeling better and taking advantage of that. The bigger issue will be the tendency to take the better health for granted while neglecting the memories of just how bad things once were. Even when getting better, it is possible to focus too much on what is still not better. That is a sure path to misery.

Being Complete vs Not

Without acknowledging successful progress, the striving and wishing for physical perfection can generate a kind of illness of its own. It is an illness of discontent, defeat, and feeling incomplete. Instead, I resolve to be complete inside this day. As a personal hero of mine, Geneen Roth (a prolific author and guide for people struggling with food addiction and body image)[i], likes to teach: “ I am enough”. Likewise, this experience of today can be enough. I don’t need all that I desire to make it a good day. I need only my willingness to persist in a spirit of gratitude.

Today and tomorrow I am sticking with this. Joyfully I celebrate the miracles of being alive in an amazing body able to heal itself. I invite you to stick with it too. Look for and enjoy the miracle of healing.

Some Take-Aways:

  1. You are not crazy. You don’t need a doctor to validate you.
  2. It is not always obvious at the beginning that you are benefiting.
  3. The healing process for some of us carries on for years and years.
  4. There will be times when symptoms are in play making the benefits seem subtle, meager, or inadequate. These are not times to give up, but to resolve to stay the course.
  5. Not everyone has dramatic problems or healing symptoms. Still, it is common to overlook the connection between the oxalate clean-out your body is undertaking and the pain, skin issues, headaches, clumsy days, and tired days that arise in the process (even years after you started the diet).
  6. The pain of healing is part of the process. Six months of tooth pain, three weeks of sinus pain, periodic joint pain, a month of emotional fatigue—each will resolve on its own. You don’t need to intervene medically when your body is already taking care of you. 
  7. Stick with it despite it all; and find ways to enjoy the ride.
  8. Recovery is real. This diet is a gift that has saved me and many others from a downward spiral that was undoing our lives and our sense of who we are.

My future is about living life fully in ways that were for so long compromised by pain and fatigue. Today, my bad days are so much better than my good days were before taking the oxalate out of my diet. I am convinced that my body will perform best with as little oxalate on board as it can manage.

A Brief Note of Gratitude and Thanks

This is a good time to take stock and express gratitude to everyone who made this possible. Thank you, Susan Owens[ii] and your devoted moderators, list mates, and loyal followers for sharing your stories of oxalate mobilization (“dumping”) reactions. Your recognition of this process is not only a brilliant insight, it has helped thousands.

Our current recognition of the connection between food oxalate and pain starts with Joanne Yount, founder and director the VP Foundation[iii]. For over 25 years, she has bravely, fiercely, and loyally attended her mission to test foods for their oxalate content on behalf of people with chronic unexplained pelvic and genital pain.

Let me start and end each day with a grateful heart.

Footnotes

[i] Geneen Roth https://geneenroth.com/books/

[ii] Autism Oxalate Project / Trying Low Oxalate Group: http://lowoxalate.info/

[iii] The VP Foundation: http://www.thevpfoundation.org/


October 9, 2018 by Sally K Norton

Warning: Oxalate Disinformation Doesn’t Make Spinach Safer to Eat

PleaseOne of my fellow oxalate-toxicity sufferers alerted me to The Paleo View podcast episode 286 that attempts to “debunk” reports of the health dangers of lectins and oxalates (the oxalate section starts at minute 30). Unfortunately, the episode contains significant errors that serve only to confuse and misinform listeners by perpetuating myths and misunderstandings about oxalate.

The Paleo View’s Spin

The podcast offers this limited perspective: “Listen to us. Don’t bother to learn about oxalate and its connection to health problems. Don’t moderate your intake of oxalate (unless you have major problems with gut health and kidney health).” The cavalier, dismissive attitude leads to a reckless attempt to justify telling you what they think you want to hear: eat all the spinach you want.

Sadly, the opinions and “facts” aired by the Paleo View podcast are based on inadequate contact with (1) medical literature, and (2) real people who are solving and healing mysterious health problems by avoiding spinach and other high oxalate foods.

The cherry-picked views they present ignore the many medically documented harmful effects of oxalate in the body and how these effects play a role in common illnesses. Instead, they prefer to focus inaccurately on the minor issue of oxalates preventing absorption of certain minerals, and on wishful thinking about colon bacteria consuming enough oxalate to save you from oxalate damage. Let me address these two claims.

Minerals Lost to Oxalate

From the very limited perspective of the podcast, the problem with oxalates is that they bind to important nutrient minerals like calcium and prevent them from being absorbed in the gastrointestinal tract from your food. That’s certainly true, and the consequence is that you’re eating less calcium than you think you are when you consume high-oxalate vegetables, for two reasons.

For one, nutritional tables that count up calcium in high-oxalate foods don’t account for the lack of availability of the calcium that is bound up as calcium oxalate. In other words, nutritional analysis of foods does not distinguish calcium oxalate (a toxin) from calcium (the nutrient). They are not interchangeable as far as your body is concerned, yet nutrition claims for calcium in foods treats them as one in the same.

The second problem is that free calcium, magnesium, and iron can all become bound to the oxalic acid (or soluble oxalates) and be lost as nutrients. (The podcast also makes the entirely fanciful claim that gut bacteria break up calcium oxalate, rendering the unavailable calcium available as a nutrient. There is simply no published evidence for that claim.)

Additional Anti-Nutrient Effects Occur After Oxalates are Absorbed

More importantly, the anti-nutrient effects of oxalate go beyond the loss of minerals from foods. There are anti-nutrient effects from the oxalate we do absorb. This happens because the most reactive forms (ions, nanocrystals, and soluble types) get into the body. There they eagerly bind to calcium, iron, and other minerals that are already present in our bodies. This “mineral-stealing” by oxalate is very real concern and does have important “anti-nutrient” consequences. Still, the podcast claims that oxalates “don’t leach minerals from our bodies.”

In the hours after we’ve overloaded on foods with soluble oxalates, oxalate ions will attach to minerals from our foods or from our blood. As a result, these minerals won’t be available for other purposes (like building bone or maintaining proper cellular metabolism). Depending on the amount we eat over time, repeated meal-after-meal intake of oxalate can add up to deficiencies.

Potassium Problems Too

More insidious (and less well known) is the loss of potassium from muscle cells where oxalate crystals are causing inflammation1–3. This sapping of potassium from cells is a third effect, occurring in addition to the oxalate molecules’ first acts of stealing important minerals from both our food and blood4. Our bones, muscles, and other tissues are the ultimate losers as a result of this mineral high-jacking caused by oxalate, which may contribute to systemic problems such as cardiovascular disease, osteoporosis5, and pain syndromes like fibromyalgia.

Which Oxalates Cross the Gut Lining and How Much?

Oxalates absorbed from food clearly present a major challenge to our health.  But how much do we absorb from food? The podcast wrongly asserts that we don’t absorb much oxalate from foods like spinach. We absorb plenty.

Estimates of the amount that gets into our bloodstream vary a lot. The classic estimate of typical absorption of oxalate from food is 4—10%. When we absorb more than 10% of what is in our foods, it is called hyper-absorption. Some recent studies suggest that absorbing over 10% may be common. Current estimates suggest that a 50% absorption rate is typical when oxalate intake is very low7. And many studies show that when you eat more, the total amount you absorb goes up. The podcast rightly points out that people with gut absorption problems due to Crohn’s disease, bariatric surgery, IBS, leaky gut, and so on are at higher risk for oxalate hyper-absorption problems8–12.

Spinach Leaf

The question of “soluble” and “insoluble” oxalates is also very important with respect to absorption. The podcast falsely claims that spinach contains mostly insoluble crystals of calcium oxalate that stay inside the digestive tract. In fact, only 28-44% of the oxalates in spinach are insoluble.

Most of the of the oxalates in spinach are soluble (56—72%)15–18 (they are not bound to calcium). Instead the oxalate is oxalic acid or is loosely bound to sodium or potassium. Like the nanocrystals of calcium oxalate, the soluble oxalates easily move though membranes (harming cells in the process). Unlike insoluble calcium oxalate, they easily dissociate into reactive ions. These are the principal forms in which oxalates get into the blood stream, cause metabolic problems, and crystallize in body tissues.

What really matters is this: In absolute terms, the amount of oxalate you ingest is the most important factor influencing how much damage oxalates will cause. Truly, you have no way to know exactly how much oxalate you absorb from your foods. The precautionary approach of limiting how much oxalate you eat is simple and has no intrinsic nutritional risks.

Oxalate Crystals Harm Gut Function

The podcasters do not point out that the insoluble oxalate crystals in plants are a gut irritant13,14. These pointed, sharp microcrystals abrade tissues with a variety of shapes possessing the destructive power of microscopic glassy shards, sand paper, and needles. Chronic abrasions to the gut wall can lead to inflammation and absorption problems. This can set up a vicious cycle making you more susceptible to hyper-absorption and oxalate-realated health problems.

Regardless of the size and shape of crystals, eating less oxalate reduces stress on your gut. Eating less mean fewer nanocrystals and ions are available to damage cells when these ultra-small particles penetrate into and through your gastrointestinal cells. Minimizing inflammation and damage to gut cells (from oxalate AND lectins) may improve your body’s ability to resist the passive movement of the larger oxalate crystals into your blood. Lowering your intake may also help with gut function in general. Many people on the low oxalate diet do better on a gluten free diet as well (less lectins is good for the gut too).

Gut Bacteria Won’t Save You

The Podcast claims that your gut bacteria will protect you from a high oxalate diet. This claim also does not withstand scrutiny. Multiple studies have shown that most people (70% or more) do not have viable gut colonies of oxalobacter formigenes19, a colon-dwelling bacteria which eats oxalate as its primary food.

Oxalate is absorbed throughout the digestive tract, including in the stomach and (primarily) the small intestine20. O. formigenes resides in the colon and only encounters oxalate that has not already been absorbed earlier in the digestive system, or that is released by the body back into the colon. The small proportion of oxalate released back into the colon has already traveled in the blood around the digestive tract and liver. Only a small fraction of this tourist oxalate is sent back into the colon from the blood stream. Given that oxalate ions and nano crystals are so toxic and caustic, this circulation of oxalate can lead to a lot of wear and tear on the digestive tract of people who love spinach, almonds, peanuts, potatoes and other high oxalate foods.

Finally, the podcast also falsely states that eating a high-oxalate diet will encourage the growth of oxalate-eating gut bacteria. There is not much evidence for that claim and no proof that this effect could make oxalate safe to eat. But there is plenty of evidence that if you eat more oxalates (even if you are lucky enough to host a colony of o. formigenes) you will absorb more oxalate (as measured by increased levels in your urine after a meal).  People who host o. formigenes will absorb relatively less than people who do not, but they will still absorb more than if they ate lower-oxalate foods. Efforts to re-establish colonies of o. formigenes have to date been unsuccessful.

The lesson is simple: if you want to avoid or recover from possible problems with oxalates, you should eat foods that contain less of them. It’s not hard, it won’t cut you off from essential foods, and it won’t compromise your nutrition. It could change your attitude about which foods you believe are health-giving, however. This may be the tragedy the Paleo View wants to protect you from.

Choosing Low Oxalate Foods Is Healthy and Nourishing

The podcast vigorously promotes the myth that low-oxalate eating means you have to give up “good” vegetables and therefore you can’t get proper nutrition. Nothing could be more wrong. That view (also promulgated by some kidney specialists who haven’t bothered to find out what foods have oxalates) goes back to the days when people presumed that all greens were high in oxalate. There are plenty of greens and other vegetables that are low oxalate when eaten in reasonable portions (1 C raw or ½ C cooked are typical serving sizes.)

There is no dietary reason that low-oxalate eaters risk being more malnourished than those eating a high-oxalate diet. I suspect that the opposite is a more likely scenario. Of course, no one has offered sound evidence that any vegetables or nuts or potatoes are essential to being well-nourished and healthy. The urgency to defend a plant-based diet, especially one based on high-oxalate foods, originates primarily from science that is increasingly being revealed as flawed (e.g. that animal fats are intrinsically bad for you) and from cultural prejudices that have essentially no basis in science (e.g. that farming animals is more unsustainable or environmentally destructive than farming plants).

But you don’t have to give up plants (or even a mostly plant-based diet) to successfully control your oxalate consumption. Anyone who says otherwise is just trying to scare you into staying ignorant of the danger.

Wishes vs. Facts

Being accurately informed is a necessary step before you can take deliberate, sensible actions to lower the risks that may be present in your own situation and dietary practices. Accurate information is not something the Paleo View wants you to have. They’d rather you trust their preferences, biases, and instincts.

Clearly, they do not want your faith in spinach to be shaken. Heaven forbid! And they don’t want you to consider that a life without spinach may lead to less pain, stronger bones, and many other happy outcomes—as it has for (at least) tens of thousands of actual people.

My Conclusion about Their Conclusions

The Paleo View podcast encourages listeners to ignore the evidence of serious health problems caused by excessive oxalate consumption. Their logic is this: since there is no proof that everyone is harmed by oxalate in foods like spinach, you should eat as much as you like and ignore the possibility that it could be harmful. How tragic indeed if the misinformation in this podcast discourages people from considering, let alone trying, an oxalate-aware eating strategy.

No need to fall victim to myths and misunderstandings about oxalate.

More details here, here, here, and here.

Key Points

Minerals are lost from foods and the body due to high oxalate content of our diets.

Oxalate causes gut damage, and damage to other organs too.

Spinach has a lot of soluble oxalate in it.

Bacteria that degrade oxalate are in short supply, cannot be replaced with probiotics and can only do so much to protect us from high oxalate foods.

A low oxalate diet can be perfectly nourishing and safe. We have no nutritional requirement to eat any high oxalate food.

Defending the frequent consumption of spinach is a disservice to listeners.

References

  1. Mulay SR, Anders H-J. Crystallopathies. N Engl J Med. 2016;374(25):2465-2476.
  2. Mulay SR, Kulkarni OP, Rupanagudi KV, Migliorini A, Darisipudi MN, Vilaysane A, Muruve D, Shi Y, Munro F, Liapis H, Anders H-J. Calcium oxalate crystals induce renal inflammation by NLRP3-mediated IL-1β secretion. J Clin Invest. 2013;123(1):236-246. doi:10.1172/JCI63679.
  3. Franklin BS, Mangan MS, Latz E. Crystal Formation in Inflammation. Annu Rev Immunol. 2016;34(1):173-202. doi:10.1146/annurev-immunol-041015-055539.
  4. Muñoz-Planillo R, Kuffa P, Martínez-Colón G, Smith BL, Rajendiran TM, Núñez G. K+ efflux is the common trigger of NLRP3 inflammasome activation by bacterial toxins and particulate matter. Immunity. 2013;38(6):1142-1153. doi:10.1016/j.immuni.2013.05.016.
  5. Shavit L, Girfoglio D, Vijay V, Goldsmith D, Ferraro PM, Moochhala SH, Unwin R. Vascular calcification and bone mineral density in recurrent kidney stone formers. Clin J Am Soc Nephrol CJASN. 2015;10(2):278-285. doi:10.2215/CJN.06030614.
  6. Holmes RP, Goodman HO, Assimos DG. Contribution of dietary oxalate to urinary oxalate excretion. Kidney Int. 2001;59(1):270-276. doi:10.1046/j.1523-1755.2001.00488.x.
  7. Holmes RP, Knight J, Assimos DG. Lowering urinary oxalate excretion to decrease calcium oxalate stone disease. Urolithiasis. 2016;44(1):27-32. doi:10.1007/s00240-015-0839-4.
  8. Canos HJ, Hogg GA, Jeffery JR. Oxalate nephropathy due to gastrointestinal disorders. Can Med Assoc J. 1981;124(6):729-733.
  9. Cartery C, Faguer S, Karras A, Cointault O, Buscail L, Modesto A, Ribes D, Rostaing L, Chauveau D, Giraud P. Oxalate Nephropathy Associated with Chronic Pancreatitis. Clin J Am Soc Nephrol CJASN. 2011;6(8):1895-1902. doi:10.2215/CJN.00010111.
  10. Froeder L, Arasaki CH, Malheiros CA, Baxmann AC, Heilberg IP. Response to Dietary Oxalate after Bariatric Surgery. Clin J Am Soc Nephrol CJASN. 2012;7(12):2033-2040. doi:10.2215/CJN.02560312.
  11. Hueppelshaeuser R, von Unruh GE, Habbig S, Beck BB, Buderus S, Hesse A, Hoppe B. Enteric hyperoxaluria, recurrent urolithiasis, and systemic oxalosis in patients with Crohn’s disease. Pediatr Nephrol Berl Ger. 2012;27(7):1103-1109. doi:10.1007/s00467-012-2126-8.
  12. Kumar R, Lieske JC, Collazo-Clavell ML, Sarr MG, Olson ER, Vrtiska TJ, Bergstralh EJ, Li X. Fat Malabsorption and Increased Intestinal Oxalate Absorption are Common after Rouxen-Y Gastric Bypass Surgery. Surgery. 2011;149(5):654-661. doi:10.1016/j.surg.2010.11.015.
  13. Altin G, Sanli A, Erdogan BA, Paksoy M, Aydin S, Altintoprak N. Severe destruction of the upper respiratory structures after brief exposure to a dieffenbachia plant. J Craniofac Surg. 2013;24(3):e245-247. doi:10.1097/SCS.0b013e318286068b.
  14. Konno K, Inoue TA, Nakamura M. Synergistic defensive function of raphides and protease through the needle effect. PloS One. 2014;9(3):e91341. doi:10.1371/journal.pone.0091341.
  15. Bong W-C, Vanhanen LP, Savage GP. Addition of calcium compounds to reduce soluble oxalate in a high oxalate food system. Food Chem. 2017;221:54-57. doi:10.1016/j.foodchem.2016.10.031.
  16. Brogren M, Savage GP. Bioavailability of soluble oxalate from spinach eaten with and without milk products. Asia Pac J Clin Nutr. 2003;12(2):219-224.
  17. The Low Oxalate Diet Addendum Winter 2010 – Numerical Values Table. VP Found Newsl. 2010;(33):18-23.
  18. The Low Oxalate Diet Addendum Summer 2012 – Numerical Values Table. VP Found Newsl. 2012;(37):6-9, 19-25.
  19. Barnett C, Nazzal L, Goldfarb DS, Blaser MJ. The Presence of Oxalobacter formigenes in the Microbiome of Healthy Young Adults. J Urol. 2016;195(2):499-506. doi:10.1016/j.juro.2015.08.070.
  20. Hautmann RE. The stomach: a new and powerful oxalate absorption site in man. J Urol. 1993;149(6):1401-1404.

 

 

 

July 28, 2018 by Sally K Norton

What’s a Dangerous Oxalate Level?

Don't risk a dangerous oxalate level

Easy to Over-Do It, Easy to Fix It

Your go-to foods could pave the way for a dangerous oxalate level in your body and lead to very real health problems. Consider these common examples of popular foods that make it way too easy to overdo oxalate:

Are you into peanut butter, chia seeds, seeded wheat bread, sesame crackers, or nuts? If so, you could be eating a dangerous level of oxalate.

Do you reach for spinach for your salads, as a quick-cook side dish, or the tastiest way to green up your smoothies?

Do you like potatoes? Chips, fries, baked, or mashed? Perhaps you like the “healthier” sweet potato chips and fries?

Do you love black beans in your burritos?

Do you like second helpings or “super” serving sizes?

These days, we have at least three factors working against us:

  1. the ubiquity of high oxalate foods,
  2. the frequency with which we eat them (it’s easier than ever to make potato chips or french fries daily fare), and also
  3. restaurant portion sizes that get us in trouble.

Eating quick-and-easy means reaching for nuts, peanut butter, or chips. Eating out, well . . .

Hard-to-Resist Super-Sized French Fries

Many restaurants jumbo size their standard french fry order as cheap advertising. You see, it costs them only pennies to wow the customer and offer a memorable experience that they’ll tell others about. Take Five Guys, for example*. Famous for giant piles of fries, their regular fry order weighs a gargantuan 411 grams—almost a pound! About 5 years ago, Five Guys expanded their menu with a “Little” order of fries. Weighing in at 227 grams (½ lb.) a “Little” Fries order is still too big: it’s easily enough for two people.

Fried turnip sticks with crispy sage

Instead of standard fries, try my oven-fried turnips

Unfortunately, your body takes a hit with the 100 mg of oxalate that comes with the “Little” fry order. If they were made with sweet potatoes: a “Little” fry order would deliver 164mg of oxalate.* For perspective, consider this: 150mg is the amount that medical researchers claim is our typical all-day consumption of oxalate in food. Does that ring true to you? On the days you have the “Little” fry order, is that the only plant food you eat all day? (Hint: add at least an additional 12mg oxalate from the white hamburger bun with sesame seeds on it, and another 3 – 5mg for toppings such as tomatoes.)

The ubiquity of “would you like fries or chips with that?” encourages us all to make potatoes a too-frequent, regular thing. But, you don’t need to eat out frequently to get into a high oxalate food habit, it can happen to anyone. Just fall in love with the wrong food. It’s sort of arbitrary. Few people seem to understand that the danger of regular excessive oxalate consumption is not just theoretical. Check out Sam’s story.

Unlucky in Love: Sam

Sam was an author, naturopath, amateur tennis player, and successful business man. He loved the flavor of buckwheat. He ate it every single day, for many decades. He also liked spinach omelets, and frequently ate almonds as snacks. On Sam’s typical day, these three foods alone could have contributed at least 775 mg of oxalate to his total intake (1 cup cooked buckwheat 180mgª & 3/4 cup raw baby spinach 480mg § & 1 oz. almonds 115mg §). Despite his expertise in health, Sam was unaware of the damaging effects of eating high oxalate foods, nor did he know that his go-to foods have so much oxalate.

Let’s fill in the rest of his daily diet. In addition to these favored anchor foods, it’s possible that he also ate:

(at least) one slice of multi-grain wheat bread (16mg) with his omelet,
at least ¼ tsp black pepper (4mg) over the course of the day;
a cup of black or green tea (25mg)
a few carrot or celery sticks (15mg);
a peanut butter snack (50mg / 2 T);
½ c of brown rice with dinner (10mg);
green beans (18mg/ ½ c boiled)
a tiny bite of milk chocolate for a treat or dessert (20mg/½ oz.).

A day that included all these foods would bring Sam to a total intake of 920 mg of oxalate. That is a potentially dangerous oxalate level in only a modest amount of food.

The Trouble with Healthy Food

I learned about Sam’s love of buckwheat, almonds, and spinach omelets on Dec. 29, 2015. Sam called me after reading my article: “When Heathy Isn’t”. He told me that he had been struggling with a set of problems he called “chronic break down”—including attacks of severe muscle soreness in his upper back, neck, and his upper buttock muscles. The debilitating pain would come and then disappear without rhyme or reason. Sometimes it involved severe muscle weakness that would make movement nearly impossible. This was distressing and embarrassing to an accomplished tennis player and health expert.

After reading my article Sam had a “eureka” moment. At last, in his late 60s, he learned of a critical missing piece in his understanding of the health effects of foods. Sadly, Sam died less than 2 years later, despite his devotion to healthy living, a happy marriage, and a thriving business. Based on our conversations, I know he believed that a lifetime of high-oxalate eating contributed to his early passing.

Counting a Daze-Worth of Oxalate

Take a look at the table below. It imagines a diet based on Sam’s favorite meals and snacks and compares it with another menu that some other man might have selected. Neither person selected his foods with oxalate in mind, but the difference is astounding – Sam’s diet is 14 times higher in oxalate. A full gram of oxalate in a day is a toxic level of oxalate exposure!
MealSam (mg Oxalate)Low-Ox (mg Oxalate)
Breakfast ½ C buckwheat (180)
¼ C Raspberries (18)
½ C whole Milk (0.5)
1 C black tea (24)
1 C Rice Chex™ (8)
½ C Blueberries (4)
½ C whole Milk (0.5)
Unflavored Coffee (2)
Breakfast Total22215
LunchSpinach Omelet with Salsa
3 eggs (0)
¾ C baby spinach leaves (480)
1/8 tsp. black pepper (2)
¼ C Picante salsa (10)
1 slice multi-grain toast (16)
Butter (0)
1 med. Anjou pear (20)
1 C Whole Milk (1)
Cheese & Shrimp Quesadilla
Cheese (0) Mushrooms, canned (¼ C) (0.3)
Baby Shrimp (0)
White Flour Tortilla (10).
Corn salsa:
½ C corn (2)
2 T red onion (0.5)
2 T red bell pepper (0.25)
½ clove garlic (0.1)
2 tsp. lime juice (0.2)
2 tsp. olive oil (0)
¼ tsp. chili powder (2)
¼ tsp. cayenne (1.5)
Apple and Banana Fruit Bar (3)
Lunch Total53020
Snack1 oz. almonds (115)Cheddar cheese (0)
6 saltines (6)
Snack Total1156
DinnerHomemade chicken soup made with: chicken (0)
½ carrot (5)
½ stalk of celery (5)
¼ C ckd. brown rice (5)
¼ C boiled green beans (10)
½ C raw curly kale (10)
1/8 tsp. black pepper (2)
1/8 tsp. celery seed (4)
½ tsp. dried oregano (4)
1 Tbs. fresh basil (3)
½ oz milk chocolate (20 +)
Baked Chicken seasoned with Shake 'N Bake™ (4)
1½ C Caesar Salad: romaine (1.5), croutons (3.5), dressing (1.5)
½ C cooked mustard greens (6)
½ C buttered white rice (3)
5 oz. red wine (0)
½ C red grapes (2)
Dinner Total7022
Evening Snack1 Clementine (19)
1½ T peanut butter (36)
5 Keebler Toasteds® Sesame crackers (21)
6 oz. vanilla yogurt (6)
Evening Snack Total756
Daily Total1,01270

Who’s Looking Out for Us?

Health authorities have dropped the ball. As a result, no one is paying attention to the oxalates in our food and how the amount we’re eating has been creeping up and up and up. We’re paying a price for our ignorance about what we’re eating.

Don’t wait for some official warning. Oxalate is a toxin. Unlike most environmental poisons, this is one toxin that is within your control to avoid. Don’t let your health depend on a roll of the dice. Get started.

Note: You may have good reasons for avoiding Rice Chex™, Shake ’N Bake™, or other packaged foods (check out my recipes!). The point here is that commonly eaten foods can be very high or very low in oxalate, and nobody is aware of the difference.

*reference http://www.fiveguys.com/-/media/Public-Site/Files/FiveGuysNutrition_Aug2014_CAN_E.ashx (Oxalate estimates are based on tests of Russet / Idaho potatoes and frozen fries performed at the University of Wyoming 2011, and 2015)

ªcalculation based on 86g uncooked weight and average of known tests of buckwheat and buckwheat flour which equal 133 + 270/ 2= 202mg/100g

§based on VP Foundation data published in their Newsletter

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • Next Page »

Search on SallyKNorton.com

Shopping Cart

Number of items in cart: 0

  • Your cart is empty.
  • Total: $0.00
  • Checkout
Click to sign up for email list

Upcoming Events

  • Group Meeting and Presentation

    June 5, 2025 @ 1:00 pm - 3:00 pm
    US Eastern Time
    See more details

  • Group Meeting and Presentation

    June 20, 2025 @ 8:00 am - 10:00 am
    US Eastern Time
    See more details

Connect

  • Home
  • About
  • Table of Contents
  • Shop
  • Recipes
  • Support
  • Blog
  • Contact

Visit Sally’s Other Sites

  • YouTube
  • LinkedIn
  • Facebook
  • Instagram

Copyright © 2025 — Sally K. Norton • All rights reserved.

 

Loading Comments...